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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 23:31:27 GMT
I always wanted to post this quote from the ''Doggin' Boars 5: Africa'' DVD but haven't gotten to it until now. rumble.com/v25wi9s-dvd-testimony.html''When I heard this story I thought you must be mad... you, you, you can't catch the dog, uhh, warthog with uhh, with a, dog. These things are so fast and so strong man, they, they will just kill every dog! This is what I thought when I heard this story you're coming all the way I thought ''You're wasting your time and your money.'' You can't catch the dog uhh, uh, vlarkvlark with a, with a dog, with a dog. Terrible. Well nothing can catch it, these thing uh, they got a thick skin, they are very fast, they, get into holes. But the dog... it will just kill the dog. ''Yeah, phew, well, let's hope that doesn't happen'' Haha, I, I have my own opinion about this story of yours. *Mutual laughter*, you know, that you can't do that. I, I was thinking about the () dog, what dog could catch those things...'' |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 17, 2023 3:33:48 GMT
A lot of people harbour lofty and sometimes unrealistic reverence for wild beasts. We've just always done that as human beings, and it's kind of a natural way we are inclined to lean, makes us feel good to build them up as legendary mystical things. And then dogs are always the butt of the joke, because we're so familiar with them and they're so gentle and submissive and humble around us. The mere dog at my feet can't possibly ever be compared to one of the mysterious exciting beasts of the wild. I've noticed over the years it really makes people viscerally uncomfortable to even entertain the idea, it clashes so much with how we're conditioned for eons to think. And no one is immune, even hunters can hunt an animal a thousand times and see their dogs fuck it up and STILL kind of mentally struggle with coming to terms with that reality and retain weird ideas which conflict with their real experiences. Some discsussions on the biggamehoundsmen forum are perfect examples, with some members being like "oooh bobcats have 5 razorblades on each paw and they'll gut a dog in 2 seconds" and then others being like "ahhh yeah but nah though... my dog killed one last week and it's fine?"
"yeah... well... mine too... but still!! Rabble rabble! Bobcats!!!"
It's kind of a fascinating insight into human psychology.
I'm not saying this guy is saying total bullshit, warthogs are pretty epic animals and they are definitely fast and nasty and do get into holes and barricade themselves in with a mighty defensive front, but he's clearly just putting them on a pedestal that's a little much. A little beyond reality and drifting into almost paranormal/crypto talk. So many do it.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 17, 2023 16:29:01 GMT
So they do then struggle to get warthogs though right? Like the dude was kind of right in some ways? From the little clips I have seen it seems the pigdogs struggled with the speed of warthogs, mostly.
It's a little disappointing that of all the people to take dogs to africa it was the bloom brothers who run pretty big heavy dogs. Mastiff and dane crosses and shit. I think burr lee's bullstags and frosti's bullgreys would have been good at warthogs, and maybe some other interesting african animals. I'd love to see a bullstag smash a wildebeest or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 16:30:40 GMT
So they do then struggle to get warthogs though right? Like the dude was kind of right in some ways? From the little clips I have seen it seems the pigdogs struggled with the speed of warthogs, mostly. It's a little disappointing that of all the people to take dogs to africa it was the bloom brothers who run pretty big heavy dogs. Mastiff and dane crosses and shit. I think burr lee's bullstags and frosti's bullgreys would have been good at warthogs, and maybe some other interesting african animals. I'd love to see a bullstag smash a wildebeest or something. He was very very right about warthogs going into holes and escaping, one of the dogs caught this big male warthog but it got into a hole despite the dog attached to it, happened a few other times too but wasn't recorded. And others just escaped into holes and never got caught. He was only wrong about how they would kill any dog. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 17, 2023 16:40:11 GMT
Yeah well "Africa" from ozziedoggers said straight that Aussie feral pigs actually are better at killing dogs than warthogs, and I believe him.
I had noticed that habit of warthogs just from nature documentaries. They rely on holes a lot. They are always close to a hole and ready to sprint into it. Their giant ornamental tusks actually seem to be an adaptation to make them better at barricading off the entrance to a hole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 16:42:59 GMT
Yeah well "Africa" from ozziedoggers said straight that Aussie feral pigs actually are better at killing dogs than warthogs, and I believe him. I had noticed that habit of warthogs just from nature documentaries. They rely on holes a lot. They are always close to a hole and ready to sprint into it. Their giant ornamental tusks actually seem to be an adaptation to make them better at barricading off the entrance to a hole. Yeah, Black got ''a bit of razor work done on him for free'' after he tried to ''ferret'' his way down a warthog hole. Was just a bit on his muzzle, was bleeding a bit. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 17, 2023 16:50:13 GMT
Do they ever say what their dogs are? Black looks like a dane x for sure, but don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 16:53:36 GMT
Do they ever say what their dogs are? Black looks like a dane x for sure, but don't know. Black is a Dane x I believe, Rip is some type of wolfhound x I think but unsure, I'd have to check. In their Australia clip they had a Wolfhound x Pitbull Bullmastiff. So much for BSL... haha. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 17, 2023 16:55:30 GMT
Yeah well "Africa" from ozziedoggers said straight that Aussie feral pigs actually are better at killing dogs than warthogs, and I believe him. I had noticed that habit of warthogs just from nature documentaries. They rely on holes a lot. They are always close to a hole and ready to sprint into it. Their giant ornamental tusks actually seem to be an adaptation to make them better at barricading off the entrance to a hole. Yeah, Black got ''a bit of razor work done on him for free'' after he tried to ''ferret'' his way down a warthog hole. Was just a bit on his muzzle, was bleeding a bit. "Hole defense" could almost be it's own "fighting style" and warthogs are way better at it than basically anything. I have seen dogs drag pigs out of den-like holes but I think with warthogs it's extremely difficult. They just block up so much of the hole with their tusky front so you can't grab on to anything fleshy. That said, fair play to lions which I have seen pull warthogs from holes. I may have even seen a leopard do it too. It's probably feasible for a dog to do it, but it's a big ask for a dog from the other side of the globe with no warthog/hole experience to figure it out. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 17, 2023 16:56:58 GMT
Do they ever say what their dogs are? Black looks like a dane x for sure, but don't know. Black is a Dane x I believe, Rip is some type of wolfhound x I think but unsure, I'd have to check. In their Australia clip they had a Wolfhound x Pitbull Bullmastiff. So much for BSL... haha. Rip looks wolfhoundy for sure. Cool looking dogs all around, but they don't seem an especially fast style, which probably would have been nice for Africa. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 16:58:24 GMT
Yeah, Black got ''a bit of razor work done on him for free'' after he tried to ''ferret'' his way down a warthog hole. Was just a bit on his muzzle, was bleeding a bit. "Hole defense" could almost be it's own "fighting style" and warthogs are way better at it than basically anything. I have seen dogs drag pigs out of den-like holes but I think with warthogs it's extremely difficult. They just block up so much of the hole with their tusky front so you can't grab on to anything fleshy. That said, fair play to lions which I have seen pull warthogs from holes. I may have even seen a leopard do it too. It's probably feasible for a dog to do it, but it's a big ask for a dog from the other side of the globe with no warthog/hole experience to figure it out. I think a greyhound might be able to legitimately ferret its way inside and drag it out by using its streamlined mouth to grab a smaller bit of skin. But would need to be a Boergrey and I dunno if a Maritsane could manage that as it MIGHT be too big. And you saw Africa say if a greyhound can't hold ear or leg and is near the head it dies or something like that. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 17, 2023 17:07:45 GMT
It's a lot to ask of a greyhound, even though warthogs are less fight than a boar, they are still a fair amount of fight. When I think of an optimal warthog dog I think of like the racier bullstags, dogs like-    I think that is just the ideal form for warthog hunting. This is still probably my favourite style of dog in general, specifically due to the versatility. This kind of dog could catch a warthog, and a wild boar, and maybe a bull, and maybe a fox, and maybe even rabbits, and roos, and deer, antelope, and turkeys, and feral dogs/coyotes, and etc etc etc etc. It could just do so much, and that to me is appealing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 18:02:20 GMT
It's a lot to ask of a greyhound, even though warthogs are less fight than a boar, they are still a fair amount of fight. When I think of an optimal warthog dog I think of like the racier bullstags, dogs like- I think that is just the ideal form for warthog hunting. This is still probably my favourite style of dog in general, specifically due to the versatility. This kind of dog could catch a warthog, and a wild boar, and maybe a bull, and maybe a fox, and maybe even rabbits, and roos, and deer, antelope, and turkeys, and feral dogs/coyotes, and etc etc etc etc. It could just do so much, and that to me is appealing. Yeah, the warthogs weren't as weak as I thought they'd be based on the trailer. They were a good bit weaker than boars but still had some suid toughness and didn't readily topple. Though they were visibly on death's doorstep with the dogs ravaging them. The Boerboel actually caught one alone off camera somehow... |
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