Where do you rank jaguars among big cats?

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Are they closer to the medium-sized big cats (cougars and leopards) or the large big cats (lions and tigers)?

[Johnson]

Above Leopards/Cougars

Below Lions/Tigers

[Hardcastle]

Well the biggest Jaguars are close in size to Sumatran tigers (both around 140 kgs), if it weren't for Sumatran Tigers (the smallest tigers) I would have said they are closer to big leopards. Big burly dominant male Sri Lankan, Persian and perhaps some Congo leopards aren't that far off a regular jaguar. Basically they bridge the gap, but I do believe they are proportionately a little more impressive than each. The sumatran BTW is IMO proportionately the most impressive tiger, so that makes that comparison in particular somewhat interesting.

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Everybody likes to talk about the big cats, power/beauty. But the meanest, nastiest, most ferocious thing on 4 legs, is the lowly little bobcat.

Imagine if you could clone Charles Manson with Adolf Hitler, and were to somehow put this hybrid into a feline form. If you did that you would surely get a bobcat.

[PumAcinonyx SuperCat]

Well, at max potential, they are close to both lioness and tigress and still very far from males of African lions and bengal or siberian tigers. They're significantly above both leopards and cougars (generally speaking), but also significantly below lions and tigers (again, generally speaking),. So, it's sort of like they're in between cougar/leopard and lion/tiger.

One thing though, they're kind of relative to both cougars and leopards at equal weights. At equal weights, a jaguar isn't stomping either a cougar or a leopard, and dare I say, even a snow leopard.

Jaguars are definitely in their own tier if you were to put them on a tier list. Far below lions/tigers (higher big cats), yet significantly above cougars/leopards/snow leopards (lower big cats).

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''At equal weights, a jaguar isn't stomping either a cougar or a leopard, and dare I say, even a snow leopard.''

Did you survive shotgun slugs to the brain as a kid?
Cougars and leopards are a bit taller and significantly longer than a jaguar of the same weight. Let's look at some robusticity measurements:
Cougar:
Humerus: 9.39
Radius: 10.33
Femur: 7.61
Tibia: 8.33

African Leopard:
Humerus: 9
Radius: 10.03
Femur: 8.51
Tibia: 8.75

Jaguar:
Humerus: 9.68
Radius: 11.73
Femur: 8.93
Tibia: 10.04

Large male cougars and leopards exist, right? Shouldn't they be comparable to the average jaguar?
We also have the issue of cougars, leopards and Ted Bundies being complete pussies and wusses refusing to fight anything and when their prey puts up a shred of resistance they jump ship. Cougars in particular are pathetic, you still haven't produced any backed studies or pictures or anything of cougars preying on adult boars, or bull moose, or healthy adult moose at all. Or large bull elk for that matter. Cattle don't give a flying fuck about them.
Leopards occasionally do prey on compromised boars but avoid healthy cattle. Persian leopards are a different beast and are close to jaguars, preying on adult boars and cattle occasionally. However, still inferior on average and only large males can maybe beat an average male jaguar some of the time.
Why is it that only jaguars (including females) possess this unique ability to regularly kill large, healthy, adult boar and cattle? Why is it that you only have ancient accounts of cougars attacking and failing on bison and a picture of a cougar scavenging a bull that you cling so desperately onto?
Mind you, there should be large male cougars accomplishing the feats of female jaguars, yet nothing of the sort exists.
Large male Persian leopards have accomplished jaguar feats, but not quite as regularly.

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So what is the deal with black panthers? Are they a sub species of the jaguar, or is it just as with the wolf where 25% just turn out black? (I've run into 2 black wolves so far, one day I'll write about that)

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Jan 14, 2023 22:34:53 GMT @lbj said:

So what is the deal with black panthers? Are they a sub species of the jaguar, or is it just as with the wolf where 25% just turn out black? (I've run into 2 black wolves so far, one day I'll write about that)

They're a melanistic version of jaguars or leopards.

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Jan 14, 2023 22:37:41 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 14, 2023 22:34:53 GMT @lbj said:

So what is the deal with black panthers? Are they a sub species of the jaguar, or is it just as with the wolf where 25% just turn out black? (I've run into 2 black wolves so far, one day I'll write about that)

They're a melanistic version of jaguars or leopards.

Are there any black Florida panthers?

[Johnson]

Jan 14, 2023 22:47:06 GMT @hammerhead said:

Jan 14, 2023 22:37:41 GMT Bolushi said:

They're a melanistic version of jaguars or leopards.

Are there any black Florida panthers?

No, but there are melanistic Bobcats.

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Jan 14, 2023 22:47:06 GMT @hammerhead said:

Jan 14, 2023 22:37:41 GMT Bolushi said:

They're a melanistic version of jaguars or leopards.

Are there any black Florida panthers?

No, it only occurs in spotted cats.

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definitely on their own tier. good deal above leopards and cougars, good deal below lions and tigers physically speaking. I certainly do find them quite tougher than other cats in mentality though, maybe similar to lions, their mortality rate in combat is higher than that of tigers, leopards and lions. 

[CoolJohnson]

Oct 12, 2023 22:15:28 GMT @firejaguar2022 said:

definitely on their own tier. good deal above leopards and cougars, good deal below lions and tigers physically speaking. I certainly do find them quite tougher than other cats in mentality though, maybe similar to lions, their mortality rate in combat is higher than that of tigers, leopards and lions. 

I do agree with your post, though I do want to add that leopards are aggressive towards humans.

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Oct 12, 2023 22:43:59 GMT CoolJohnson said:

Oct 12, 2023 22:15:28 GMT @firejaguar2022 said:

definitely on their own tier. good deal above leopards and cougars, good deal below lions and tigers physically speaking. I certainly do find them quite tougher than other cats in mentality though, maybe similar to lions, their mortality rate in combat is higher than that of tigers, leopards and lions. 

I do agree with your post, though I do want to add that leopards are aggressive towards humans.

Levels of aggression towards humans are subjective in big cats. Some big cat trainers consider jaguars to be the most unstable and aggressive of cats towards humans, but that doesn't matter, and I would consider it to be entirely up to the individual. Leopards and tigers have their human aggression heavily influenced by the fact that they are the cats that live closest to us, and in places like India, where there are absurd numbers of people, they would have to adapt to us.