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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 17:29:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 17:32:21 GMT
The eagle will struggle more with a dog as opposed to a cat, since a cat and an eagle would just try to grapple each other with their talons and paw swipes, while a dog has the change of just charging the eagle and grabbing it by the neck like a turkey or something - not an expert though. Bolushi Hardcastle |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 11, 2023 17:40:43 GMT
It's a weird one because it seems crazy for an eagle to be able to kill a wild dog, but then golden eagles half the haast eagles' size DO kill Mongolian wolves when trained and directed to do so by their handlers. The training is brutally barbaric and unfair but I need to acknowledge the training only exists to supply for the real thing, so they must be able to do it (note mongolian wolves would normally be similar in size to AWDs)
As a dog fan, and big fan of the AWD in particular, sometimes I just have to tap out and concede there are some animals that are a bad matchup for dogs. Gigantic eagles probably belong on that list.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 18:01:35 GMT
It's a weird one because it seems crazy for an eagle to be able to kill a wild dog, but then golden eagles half the haast eagles' size DO kill Mongolian wolves when trained and directed to do so by their handlers. The training is brutally barbaric and unfair but I need to acknowledge the training only exists to supply for the real thing, so they must be able to do it (note mongolian wolves would normally be similar in size to AWDs) As a dog fan, and big fan of the AWD in particular, sometimes I just have to tap out and concede there are some animals that are a bad matchup for dogs. Gigantic eagles probably belong on that list. Do you recommend a dog around 30-40 kg? Or is that a stretch? I should have noted that the Haast's eagle is very impressive, actually possessing small wings for its size and for an eagle (still larger than every modern day eagle's though), but this is actually an advantage since it helped with maneuvering through trees and thus it should be quite agile. It was also preying on the largest bird to ever exist (by height). |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 11, 2023 18:12:55 GMT
Yes I am aware the Haast's Eagle was a ridiculous monster. It seems golden eagles, martial eagles and certainly harpy eagles probably could be favoured over AWDs, let alone Haast eagles. I think in real life they wouldn't try it, but the falconry exploits of the mongolians targetting wolves showcase the potential of eagles to kill canines if they just have the nerve to try.
If anything I'd be interested to know how these eagles would fair against a far more robust and durable dog and one that can fight through severe punishment, like a gripping dog. I suspect the golden would struggle, but ramp it up to a haast's eagle... it seems very tough. Even a harpy might be a nightmare.
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Post by lincoln on Jan 11, 2023 18:34:02 GMT
It's a weird one because it seems crazy for an eagle to be able to kill a wild dog, but then golden eagles half the haast eagles' size DO kill Mongolian wolves when trained and directed to do so by their handlers. The training is brutally barbaric and unfair but I need to acknowledge the training only exists to supply for the real thing, so they must be able to do it (note mongolian wolves would normally be similar in size to AWDs) As a dog fan, and big fan of the AWD in particular, sometimes I just have to tap out and concede there are some animals that are a bad matchup for dogs. Gigantic eagles probably belong on that list. They kill them because the wolf is running away and there is more then one eagle. When the wolf or dog isn’t running and it’s one on one the eagle has a hard time |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 18:54:18 GMT
It's a weird one because it seems crazy for an eagle to be able to kill a wild dog, but then golden eagles half the haast eagles' size DO kill Mongolian wolves when trained and directed to do so by their handlers. The training is brutally barbaric and unfair but I need to acknowledge the training only exists to supply for the real thing, so they must be able to do it (note mongolian wolves would normally be similar in size to AWDs) As a dog fan, and big fan of the AWD in particular, sometimes I just have to tap out and concede there are some animals that are a bad matchup for dogs. Gigantic eagles probably belong on that list. They kill them because the wolf is running away and there is more then one eagle. When the wolf or dog isn’t running and it’s one on one the eagle has a hard time The dog there is a lot larger than the eagle, while here the eagle is the same size. Also the Haast's eagle was hunting prey 16 times its size. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 11, 2023 19:16:56 GMT
It's a weird one because it seems crazy for an eagle to be able to kill a wild dog, but then golden eagles half the haast eagles' size DO kill Mongolian wolves when trained and directed to do so by their handlers. The training is brutally barbaric and unfair but I need to acknowledge the training only exists to supply for the real thing, so they must be able to do it (note mongolian wolves would normally be similar in size to AWDs) As a dog fan, and big fan of the AWD in particular, sometimes I just have to tap out and concede there are some animals that are a bad matchup for dogs. Gigantic eagles probably belong on that list. They kill them because the wolf is running away and there is more then one eagle. When the wolf or dog isn’t running and it’s one on one the eagle has a hard time I'm not surprised it backfires from time to time, the eagle is in no way built to resist punishment, but they are well poised to evade punishment and do a lot of damage quickly from a swooping attack. If a wolf or dog can avoid taking critical damage in that initial attack and then get a hold of the eagle... yeah, I imagine it is pretty screwed. |
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Post by lincoln on Jan 11, 2023 19:20:07 GMT
They kill them because the wolf is running away and there is more then one eagle. When the wolf or dog isn’t running and it’s one on one the eagle has a hard time The dog there is a lot larger than the eagle, while here the eagle is the same size. Also the Haast's eagle was hunting prey 16 times its size. I wasn’t talking about the Haast’s eagle, I was just telling Antonio that wolves or dogs can do damage to eagles, the other way around as well. Also the Haast’s eagle was not the same size as a AWD. The Haast’s eagle was close to 30 pounds and a AWD can be 40-80 pounds |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 11, 2023 19:23:12 GMT
They kill them because the wolf is running away and there is more then one eagle. When the wolf or dog isn’t running and it’s one on one the eagle has a hard time The dog there is a lot larger than the eagle, while here the eagle is the same size. Also the Haast's eagle was hunting prey 16 times its size. Haast eagle was not the same size as an AWD, less than half actually, but I still worry about the AWD if attacked by a haast eagle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 19:31:25 GMT
The dog there is a lot larger than the eagle, while here the eagle is the same size. Also the Haast's eagle was hunting prey 16 times its size. Haast eagle was not the same size as an AWD, less than half actually, but I still worry about the AWD if attacked by a haast eagle. I meant the same size as the dogs shown attacking the eagle in the video (if not larger). lincoln |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 11, 2023 19:33:31 GMT
Those dogs would weigh more than AWD. Eagles are very very light. The haast eagle would LOOK bigger, if that's what you mean.
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Post by lincoln on Jan 11, 2023 19:35:14 GMT
Haast eagle was not the same size as an AWD, less than half actually, but I still worry about the AWD if attacked by a haast eagle. I meant the same size as the dogs shown attacking the eagle in the video (if not larger). lincoln Those dogs are bigger then a AWD. Like Antonio said, the eagle would look bigger but would not be heavier |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 19:38:00 GMT
Those dogs would weigh more than AWD. Eagles are very very light. The haast eagle would LOOK bigger, if that's what you mean. Oh ok, sorry dogs aren't my strong point. |
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