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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 17:16:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 17:20:56 GMT
11 tons for Tyrannosaurus rex...
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 7, 2023 21:37:25 GMT
Who updated and why? I lean towards the current estimate of 7.7 tons being probably too high, like the estimates for most extinct hype-machine animals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 1:03:08 GMT
Who updated and why? I lean towards the current estimate of 7.7 tons being probably too high, like the estimates for most extinct hype-machine animals. 7.7 tons for what? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 8, 2023 4:08:57 GMT
T Rex?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 4:39:01 GMT
That is way too tiny for a rex.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 8, 2023 6:51:21 GMT
That is way too tiny for a rex. 15500 lbs? 7000 kgs? That's what most sources indicate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 8:35:58 GMT
I thought 13,000 lbs for t-rex, about on par with the average African elephant bull. There are threads on Quora: T-rex vs African elephant, and it's surprising how many side with the elephant. I'm like "give me a break", the elephant is basically a giant bunny rabbit.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 8, 2023 10:47:43 GMT
I thought 13,000 lbs for t-rex, about on par with the average African elephant bull. There are threads on Quora: T-rex vs African elephant, and it's surprising how many side with the elephant. I'm like "give me a break", the elephant is basically a giant bunny rabbit. I'm traditionally one of those people. I don't feel confident about it in reality, but I certainly would want the elephant to win. I used to imagine it would probably knock the T-Rex over with its sturdier base and then stab it to death. Might be wishful thinking on my part. I like the guy who trolled T-Rex fans by saying he believed it was exclusively a scavenger, walked slowly, and if it fell over it couldn't get back up. He sure pissed off a lot of people and was ultimately debunked (I think), but it was fun while it lasted. There were some really interesting points, like how the T-Rex brain is identical in shape to a vulture for example. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 11:00:37 GMT
I thought 13,000 lbs for t-rex, about on par with the average African elephant bull. There are threads on Quora: T-rex vs African elephant, and it's surprising how many side with the elephant. I'm like "give me a break", the elephant is basically a giant bunny rabbit. I'm traditionally one of those people. I don't feel confident about it in reality, but I certainly would want the elephant to win. I used to imagine it would probably knock the T-Rex over with its sturdier base and then stab it to death. Might be wishful thinking on my part. I like the guy who trolled T-Rex fans by saying he believed it was exclusively a scavenger, walked slowly, and if it fell over it couldn't get back up. He sure pissed off a lot of people and was ultimately debunked (I think), but it was fun while it lasted. There were some really interesting points, like how the T-Rex brain is identical in shape to a vulture for example. Thinking again it might be closer than I thought. The elephant actually is probably more than a little stronger and more robust, given elephant is a mammal (and robust one at that) and t-rex is a part-reptile saurian thing. Isn't there a theory about t-rex being like a giant turkey? Or is that some other dinosaur? I think it's t-rex. Shit. Maybe I'm visualizing too much Jurassic Park version of t-rex when it's more giant turkey. If it was any 13,000 lb carnivoran it should be a no-brainer it beats the elephant. But being a reptile saurian bird-thing I'm not looking at it so one-sided now. Maybe still on the side of the rex, but not a total landslide like I thought. Could be like a good fight. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 8, 2023 11:24:42 GMT
There was one palaeontologist named Jack Horner who essentially argued t-rex was pathetic (basically). My feeling was "legend", but he predictably got shouted down and roughed up. People who love T-rex, REALLY love T-rex. His documentary was really compelling though and I'm still not entirely sure he was entirely wrong. He went all in very hard and said T-rex NEVER hunted ever, and they did ultimately prove it did via triceratops (or similar) remains with healed T-rex wounds. But for me that doesn't invalidate ALL his other points. Here's some further reading from both sides- Was T-rex a hunter or scavenger? Time to slay the T-rex scavenger "debate". For T-rex, scavenging was a tough gig. It's official, T-rex was ferocious predator, not scavenger.Tyrannosaurus; Hunter vs ScavengerGenerally I just think whenever a predator seems to good to be true, it probably is. This has really been my focus and passion in these debates all this time. The cat fans are the t-rex fans of modern animals, in that they think they're just perfect and better at everything than other predators. It's total bullcrap and could never have been true, and it isn't and I've written probably million of words over the last 2 decades detailing why. The principles hold for every other predator as well. Strengths come with equal and opposite weaknesses, and prey are always better than their predators and need to be to be viable organisms. Predators can get by failing most of the time while picking on the weak and vulnerable, prey animals can't lose or they are totally out of the game and out of the gene pool forever. Predators will only ever evolve to be good enough to rarely succeed while also stacking all the odds in their favour. So... a super mega predator that royally kicks ass, has the most powerful monumental killing bite ever that can just smash through a huge dinosaur, and oh btw it's fast and athletic and even kind of smart and cool and etc etc, while it's prey are these slow lumbering bags of meat... no. Reality can not be that way. T-rex is DEFINITELY overestimated as far as I'm concerned, it has to be. I don't know exactly how, but I know it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 12:06:35 GMT
There was one palaeontologist named Jack Horner who essentially argued t-rex was pathetic (basically). My feeling was "legend", but he predictably got shouted down and roughed up. People who love T-rex, REALLY love T-rex. His documentary was really compelling though and I'm still not entirely sure he was entirely wrong. He went all in very hard and said T-rex NEVER hunted ever, and they did ultimately prove it did via triceratops (or similar) remains with healed T-rex wounds. But for me that doesn't invalidate ALL his other points. Here's some further reading from both sides- Was T-rex a hunter or scavenger? Time to slay the T-rex scavenger "debate". For T-rex, scavenging was a tough gig. It's official, T-rex was ferocious predator, not scavenger.Tyrannosaurus; Hunter vs ScavengerGenerally I just think whenever a predator seems to good to be true, it probably is. This has really been my focus and passion in these debates all this time. The cat fans are the t-rex fans of modern animals, in that they think they're just perfect and better at everything than other predators. It's total bullcrap and could never have been true, and it isn't and I've written probably million of words over the last 2 decades detailing why. The principles hold for every other predator as well. Strengths come with equal and opposite weaknesses, and prey are always better than their predators and need to be to be viable organisms. Predators can get by failing most of the time while picking on the weak and vulnerable, prey animals can't lose or they are totally out of the game and out of the gene pool forever. Predators will only ever evolve to be good enough to rarely succeed while also stacking all the odds in their favour. So... a super mega predator that royally kicks ass, has the most powerful monumental killing bite ever that can just smash through a huge dinosaur, and oh btw it's fast and athletic and even kind of smart and cool and etc etc, while it's prey are these slow lumbering bags of meat... no. Reality can not be that way. T-rex is DEFINITELY overestimated as far as I'm concerned, it has to be. I don't know exactly how, but I know it is. Jack Horner lol. He's just some weird pedophile who makes up shit to gain attention. He made a shitty documentary on the subject back in 2001 called 'Valley of the T.rex". There's some guy on youtube called 'Red Raptor Writes' who pretty much just covers the whole subject. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 12:08:43 GMT
That is way too tiny for a rex. 15500 lbs? 7000 kgs? That's what most sources indicate. Where have you been the past 4 years? Those sources are out-dated. Also note that the the link refers to the max sizes of the theropods. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 8, 2023 12:25:18 GMT
Updated info isn't always an improvement or more accurate than older info. Sometimes sure... but if anything the fact the past seems wrong now, just means now will seem wrong in the future, too. Sometimes "the official info" fluctuates back and forth endlessly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 12:55:18 GMT
Updated info isn't always an improvement or more accurate than older info. Sometimes sure... but if anything the fact the past seems wrong now, just means now will seem wrong in the future, too. Sometimes "the official info" fluctuates back and forth endlessly. Yeah, but the newest and most reliable sources are the ones we have to go off of for now obviously? |
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