Kangal vs Moros intrepidus

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I'll bet on Kangal just because I know what they can do and know nothing about Moros. How big was MI?

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Also that "Kangal" depicted is not a Kangal. It is a fat status symbol mutt if it is being marketed as Kangal. Looks more like an Aksaray Malakisi. A fat designer one still as a legit AM is basically a Kangal in working shape.

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Take away the big killer claws and I'd like a dog's chances against a similar sized dromaeosaurid. If the feet of an animal aren't massively dangerous, dogs do well. Too many things that need to be controlled, and they can find themselves in trouble. Even human and baboon hands are potentially problematic.

All that said, I don't rate the kangal as a masterful gainer and maintainer of control, so if this thing was quick and manuveurable it may be able to beat the kangal using jaws alone.

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Jan 6, 2023 0:30:36 GMT Bolushi said:

Also that "Kangal" depicted is not a Kangal. It is a fat status symbol mutt if it is being marketed as Kangal. Looks more like an Aksaray Malakisi. A fat designer one still as a legit AM is basically a Kangal in working shape.

Black muzzle/snout, beige coat. You’d know more than me.

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Jan 6, 2023 0:36:00 GMT Hardcastle said:

Take away the big killer claws and I'd like a dog's chances against a similar sized dromaeosaurid. If the feet of an animal aren't massively dangerous, dogs do well. Too many things that need to be controlled, and they can find themselves in trouble. Even human and baboon hands are potentially problematic.

All that said, I don't rate the kangal as a masterful gainer and maintainer of control, so if this thing was quick and manuveurable it may be able to beat the kangal using jaws alone.

Moros was a tyrannosaur, it relied on its jaws to kill prey.

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Jan 6, 2023 3:58:50 GMT @hammerhead said:

Jan 6, 2023 0:36:00 GMT Hardcastle said:

Take away the big killer claws and I'd like a dog's chances against a similar sized dromaeosaurid. If the feet of an animal aren't massively dangerous, dogs do well. Too many things that need to be controlled, and they can find themselves in trouble. Even human and baboon hands are potentially problematic.

All that said, I don't rate the kangal as a masterful gainer and maintainer of control, so if this thing was quick and manuveurable it may be able to beat the kangal using jaws alone.

Moros was a tyrannosaur, it relied on its jaws to kill prey.

Not looking good for Kangal if its bite was like T Rex.

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Jan 6, 2023 4:01:11 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 6, 2023 3:58:50 GMT @hammerhead said:

Moros was a tyrannosaur, it relied on its jaws to kill prey.

Not looking good for Kangal if its bite was like T Rex.

They don’t have a complete skull at the moment, it was more primitive so not quite as robust and powerful as rex.

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What is it's estimated weight?

Relying on just it's jaw means it probably had an impressive jaw, but it also means it's feasible for a dog to lug it. Maybe not a kangal, but some kind of dog. If it's physically possible for an animal to be held in such a way where it can't effectively retaliate, there's a dog somewhere that can make it look silly for a while.

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Jan 6, 2023 4:47:54 GMT Hardcastle said:

What is it's estimated weight?

Relying on just it's jaw means it probably had an impressive jaw, but it also means it's feasible for a dog to lug it. Maybe not a kangal, but some kind of dog. If it's physically possible for an animal to be held in such a way where it can't effectively retaliate, there's a dog somewhere that can make it look silly for a while.

Moros was a small-bodied, cursorial tyrannosauroid with an estimated limb length of 1.2 m (3.9 ft) and body mass of 78 kg (172 lb).

You’d need a large dog!

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That's not so bad. I think it could be done.