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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 17:09:01 GMT
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 15, 2023 23:48:58 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Jun 16, 2023 0:11:04 GMT
I lean lion 70% (conservatively) of the time if weights are close.
If weights are not close, like if the tiger has 100lbs on the lion, now I'm concerned and I favor the tiger 70-90% of the time.
However I believe the significant weight difference is mostly not a thing. I think the tiger does average larger but not so large as to actually favor it. Maybe 50/50 I guess depending on the measurements.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 16, 2023 1:28:06 GMT
Yeah I pretty much agree. I suspect the only avenue for Tigers, not in winning a fight (because that is always possible), but in winning this debate; is to assert they are larger and more powerful.
Lbs for lbs I can't go past the fact the Lion's social structure has alleviated pressure for the male to be an optimally versatile survivalist, and allowed it to specialise somewhat for combat. Whatever differences there are between tigers and lions, have to be assumed to be advantageous for the lion combatively. Because that's the difference. One has had the luxury to focus on combative adaptations primarily, the other has not.
I don't think it's like "pitbull vs labrador" or anything, but even if it is just like akita vs malamute (or whatever) it is something, some level of specialisation for combat which should give the lion an edge.
The mane serves as a glaring conspicuous reminder of this difference in heritage. Because it is frankly a stupidly impractical thing for a wild survivalist, but that stupidity shows how comfortable the lion was to neglect wild survivalism, and actually serves to prove where its focus lies.
And the argument that it's a product of sexual selection is not a counter argument, it is a supportive argument. Yes in the absence of a combative contest the females need to try and "predict" who is likely to perform well in fights and survive long enough to raise the offspring into adulthood, and instinctively they do that by selecting for manes (and darker manes hint at possibly higher testosterone), but that only buttresses the reality that lion evolution pivots on the combative prowess of the males. At the end of the day the male WILL be tested, and at the end of the day only the most successful warriors breed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 7:01:57 GMT
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 16, 2023 7:03:23 GMT
Why?
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Post by Bolushi on Jun 16, 2023 10:01:13 GMT
Until I see the dead lion that's a non-issue. Immaterial. Oh boy the tiger's definitely got this!  That lion is so dead guys!!!  Fucking son of a bitch... |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 16, 2023 10:38:46 GMT
I saw the pics of the tiger seemingly winning, and I just accepted at face value that it probably did, I just didn't put together that anyone would think that contradicts the pro-lion argument
I know already there are dozens of cases where a tiger won and dozens where a lion won, I don't really give a shit about that. I already said either can win.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Jun 17, 2023 3:18:05 GMT
The fight goes either way.
This is the ultimate 50/50 match.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 17, 2023 7:46:33 GMT
I think the fight is close to 50/50, and I think the results seem to mirror that. But the compelling argument is definitely on the lion's side. If anything the fact it's 50/50 might speak of an inherent advantage the tiger has anatomically, like it started from a higher lineage of big cat, and the lion's fighting adaptation has closed that gap. Possibly.
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Post by oldgreengrolar on Jun 18, 2023 9:11:24 GMT
In my opinion, it is about 50/50 (at weight parity) with the bigger tiger having a slight 6/10. There are accounts on tigers winning and lions winning.
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 6, 2023 19:16:03 GMT
Bump
I'd like as many people as possible to give their lion vs tiger take, this is an essential matchup. Maybe THE matchup. I personally love the "cat vs dog" generic debate, but this is right up there with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 21:08:00 GMT
Always thought the tiger was more of a bulky bruiser. Dunno.  Not a size comparison btw. |
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Post by oldgreengrolar on Sept 6, 2023 22:17:01 GMT
Bump I'd like as many people as possible to give their lion vs tiger take, this is an essential matchup. Maybe THE matchup. I personally love the "cat vs dog" generic debate, but this is right up there with that. I believe that this will eventually become a popular debate. |
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Post by oldgreengrolar on Sept 6, 2023 22:21:46 GMT
 The Amur tiger might have the heaviest bones of all big cats. |
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