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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2023 16:16:22 GMT
Were dogs healthier back before the creation of kennel clubs when there were no pedigrees? They bred dogs type-to-type such as tracking hound to tracking hound, dogs to hunted bulls, bears, and boars to same, and rat killer to rat killer, to name a few examples. Not every bulldog looked alike nor did every tracking hound look alike. Your thoughts...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 17:18:50 GMT
Were dogs healthier back before the creation of kennel clubs when there were no pedigrees? They bred dogs type-to-type such as tracking hound to tracking hound, dogs to hunted bulls, bears, and boars to same, and rat killer to rat killer, to name a few examples. Not every bulldog looked alike nor did every tracking hound look alike. Your thoughts... Kennel clubs and purebreeding destroyed dogs. They were healthier and way better workers. Tons of breeds are duplicates of each other that took different routes since being bred to please dumb city guys. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 3, 2023 0:19:32 GMT
Were dogs healthier back before the creation of kennel clubs when there were no pedigrees? They bred dogs type-to-type such as tracking hound to tracking hound, dogs to hunted bulls, bears, and boars to same, and rat killer to rat killer, to name a few examples. Not every bulldog looked alike nor did every tracking hound look alike. Your thoughts... Yes they were healthier for sure. Back then dogs were bred only because they served a function, those who didn't, even those who did but weren't good enough at it (and humans often had unreasonably high expectations) either died or were pushed out to the pariah street dog pool (then they needed to appease natural selection to survive). NOW dogs get bred just because, because they represent "breed X", and all sorts of weaknesses and flaws, insufficiencies and even deformities are overlooked. This has had a terrible effect on the health and stability (physical and psychological) of the dog breeds, and any dog breed you care to mention comes with a laundry list of problems that are probable to varying degrees of likelihood to afflict it's members. Man simply isn't qualified to "play god" or replicate mother nature, no amount of health screening and no conformation standard no matter how well written can cover all the holes that will let the deterioration leak in. The old way (still employed by people who work dogs and use traditional performance breeding practices) is actually a modified form of natural selection where the only difference is there is now also an "ape factor" within the dog's natural selection criteria. Mother nature is still at the steering wheel and you don't get all these problems. The downside to this, however, is that dog types are very prone to going extinct. The instant there's no need for a certain type of dog in a specific area, the breeding stops and it dies out. The kennel club style "preserves" bloodlines, and that was the idea behind it, but they thought they could preserve the dog in it's exact working form by writing up some conformation standards and following them, and they were wrong. You preserve the blood but you don't preserve the functionality or the health. On the plus side, you can use this preserved blood from the kennel club system, return to the old breeding practices, and quickly restore the extinct working dog and bring it back from the dead. It can be remarkable how quickly natural selection will whip everything back into shape when you blend ruined breeds together and put them to actual work where their lives are on the line. So the way I see it now is the pedigree kennel club world isn't the enemy. It serves it's purpose as a blood bank that can be utilised for the production of working dogs. They aren't aware that is their purpose and they see what they do in itself as the point and also see it as a higher more important thing than the breeding of working mongrels. Let them believe that, I say. |
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Post by lincoln on Jan 3, 2023 9:06:29 GMT
Were dogs healthier back before the creation of kennel clubs when there were no pedigrees? They bred dogs type-to-type such as tracking hound to tracking hound, dogs to hunted bulls, bears, and boars to same, and rat killer to rat killer, to name a few examples. Not every bulldog looked alike nor did every tracking hound look alike. Your thoughts... I think they were probably more healthy because back then they were bred for function rather then a breed standard |
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2023 18:02:56 GMT
Consider, when I see a German Shepherd, I know it's a German Shepherd. When I see a Great Dane, I know it's a Great Dane. If every Norman married a Norman through hundreds of generations, in time, every Norman would look the same. In a big crowd of people, you would be able to spot the Normans.
This is why I consider breeding pedigrees to be a form of inbreeding.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 19:26:05 GMT
Consider, when I see a German Shepherd, I know it's a German Shepherd. When I see a Great Dane, I know it's a Great Dane. If every Norman married a Norman through hundreds of generations, in time, every Norman would look the same. In a big crowd of people, you would be able to spot the Normans. This is why I consider breeding pedigrees to be a form of inbreeding. It kinda is, 365 ethnicities. |
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