Boarhound vs Bulldog vs Bull Terrier

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Not talking about breeds here, just a 120lb boarhound, 80lb bulldog, 55lb bull terrier (working farm dog, not a gamebred fighting dog). You may notice some of these dogs as ''breeds'' though. 

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The bull terrier has the best power to weight ratio, the bulldog has the 2nd best power to weight ratio, and the boarhound is bigger than both which makes up for p4p inferiority. I'd say any of the 3 can win, but the bulldog likely has the advantage over the boarhound IMO. Although sometimes this difference is negligible and the boarhound would win.

[Hardcastle]

Good question. Really good question.

These are the 3 basic functional forms of the gripping dog, which could equally be understood as "the combat specialised lineage of dog". Each suited to different tasks, with a lot of overlap for each to have the capacity to participate in each other's niche activity.

I will be upfront and tell you I am biased for boarhounds. They are my favourite type of dog and I prefer them over bulldogs and bull terriers.
However, I need to be logically consistent and understand that the reason I like boarhounds is because they are versatile and well rounded athletes that can run and jump and hunt and find game and etc etc, which technically are all slight deviations away from a total focus on combat. Emphasis on slight, however, as they are still very much geared for combat.

But the bulldog is arguably more specifically perfectly honed to subjugate difficult powerful targets, it need sacrifice nothing for aptitude in any other area, as it is just entirely focussed on the close-quarter engagement. Allows it to have a broader stance and lower centre of gravity, looser more flexible joints which make it run somewhat clumsily but allow it to twist and , but that's not it's concern. Has heavier thicker more durable skin. It's more heavily muscled in proportion to it's overall size. It's bulldog determination and stubbornness has experienced no dilution by crossing to different types (though please do understand this dilution can be shockingly minimal in boarhounds, despite being 50% non-bull or even more). The bulldog deserves to be considered THE grappler par excellence, and it showcases this with incredible feats like subjugating beasts 50 times their size, which a boarhound frankly can not replicate (and make no mistake, nothing else can either).

The bull terrier comes incredibly close to the bulldog in subjugation ability, in fact it can be hard to find evidence of any dilution which I think speaks to the fact it is actually mostly bulldog by blood (rather than 50/50 like some assume). We then also have the terrier's killing nouse, which is like training a champion wrestler in muay thai and jiu jitsu to give them finishing ability. As a result the bull terrier is probably the one who should be considered the premiere fighter out of the dogs mentioned. However, it runs into he problem of being half the size of a boarhound, and then I believe, indeed I have seen, how this can cause them major issues even if they are technically the better fighter.

In the end, I'm compelled to say;
Bull terrier > Bulldog > Boarhound > Bull terrier, and etc etc in a loop.
But yes pro fighter will beat non-pro-fighter most of the time, as catch dog will beat pet.

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Oct 19, 2022 4:55:58 GMT Hardcastle said:

Good question. Really good question.

These are the 3 basic functional forms of the gripping dog, which could equally be understood as "the combat specialised lineage of dog". Each suited to different tasks, with a lot of overlap for each to have the capacity to participate in each other's niche activity.

I will be upfront and tell you I am biased for boarhounds. They are my favourite type of dog and I prefer them over bulldogs and bull terriers.
However, I need to be logically consistent and understand that the reason I like boarhounds is because they are versatile and well rounded athletes that can run and jump and hunt and find game and etc etc, which technically are all slight deviations away from a total focus on combat. Emphasis on slight, however, as they are still very much geared for combat.

But the bulldog is arguably more specifically perfectly honed to subjugate difficult powerful targets, it need sacrifice nothing for aptitude in any other area, as it is just entirely focussed on the close-quarter engagement. Allows it to have a broader stance and lower centre of gravity, looser more flexible joints which make it run somewhat clumsily but allow it to twist and , but that's not it's concern. Has heavier thicker more durable skin. It's more heavily muscled in proportion to it's overall size. It's bulldog determination and stubbornness has experienced no dilution by crossing to different types (though please do understand this dilution can be shockingly minimal in boarhounds, despite being 50% non-bull or even more). The bulldog deserves to be considered THE grappler par excellence, and it showcases this with incredible feats like subjugating beasts 50 times their size, which a boarhound frankly can not replicate (and make no mistake, nothing else can either).

The bull terrier comes incredibly close to the bulldog in subjugation ability, in fact it can be hard to find evidence of any dilution which I think speaks to the fact it is actually mostly bulldog by blood (rather than 50/50 like some assume). We then also have the terrier's killing nouse, which is like training a champion wrestler in muay thai and jiu jitsu to give them finishing ability. As a result the bull terrier is probably the one who should be considered the premiere fighter out of the dogs mentioned. However, it runs into he problem of being half the size of a boarhound, and then I believe, indeed I have seen, how this can cause them major issues even if they are technically the better fighter.

In the end, I'm compelled to say;
Bull terrier > Bulldog > Boarhound > Bull terrier, and etc etc in a loop.
But yes pro fighter will beat non-pro-fighter most of the time, as catch dog will beat pet.

Have you ever broken up fights between those different types?

[Hardcastle]

Sure. It can be hard to pin point what category some dogs were in though. Like what was my neo bandog? What is my friends hybrid ambull? Both about 120 lbs. Kind of in no man's land as inflated over-sized bulldogs I guess. They had a fight which was extremely difficult to break up. But I guess that's just giant bulldog vs giant bulldog?
His boarhound (ambull x staghound) also fought that bulldog, many times actually (dumbass had two very dominant intact males living in eachothers pocket full time) and he said the boarhound would usually look like it's winning at first and was also generally dominant, but he felt when push came to shove the ambull ultimately was never going to give up and calmly with a happy wagging tail would have ultimately won if the fights went on. That's just his perception but may be some merit to it.

My bandog ALSO fought his boarhound and was definitely going to win when we broke it up.

On the other hand, my cousin's boarhound (Diesel- wolfhound x bullmastiff) NEARLY was about to fight my bandog once, and I was terrified and luckily we broke that up before it started.
I can assure you there's no way my bandog would have won that. The boarhound was 6 inches taller at least, 20 kgs heavier, and actually MORE agile and athletic and nimble, better stamina, everything. Real working dog, proven killer. Head twice the size. Yikes.

I dunno, that bandog was a good fighter but I can't see him doing well with a big weight disadvantage, he used his size to his advantage well, he didn't have the kind of design or style to overcome a weight disadvantage. He was slow and sluggish, but strong and cunning and extremely durable. Still diesel would have worked him over, probably even killed him. This is the dog that killed a 80 kg boar so... He actually had abnormally long fangs.

My bandog also nearly killed by mothers 55 lbs SBT (unusually large I know, but it really was 25 kg lean), my dad was tasked with trying to break that up, when he saved the sbt it bit him badly and deeply on the thigh, but it then nearly died from it's injuries. Head swelled up like a basketball. Same dog later got into a fight with my tuxedo bull arab bones, distinctly very much a boarhound of 115 lbs. Again the bull terrier faired very badly and had his face damaged. Bones also fought another cousin's pure ebt very briefly. It was impossible to tell what was going to happen. I think bones was too big and strong. He was actually a crappy dog as far as hunting goes but he was physically extremely impressive and incidentally dog aggressive, so I dunno.

My childhood boarhound, weighing only probably 65 lbs, very easily beat my black sbt even when he was elderly and desexed (due to severe cancer) arthritic and had no teeth. Beat the staffy in his prime like 2 years old. He beat lots of dogs including some ebts which ... if they weren't pure, were close, like ebt x boxer or something maybe. Totally obliterated a "proto bulldog" in a rottweiler that was double his size. Actually nearly got into a fight with 2 huge stray boarhounds, similar to diesel actually, massive brindle wolfhound crosses, so glad that fight didn't happen. He was keen anyway and nearly breaking his chain to get at them. Even though he was a boarhound he was almost like a hairy bull terrier, for all intents and purposes. I actually think he could possibly have overcome BIG odds the way a good pitbull can. Like maybe been a contest for diesel 1 on 1, that's how good he was. Like if he could have avoided death early on, who knows.

My personal experiences actually don't bode well for bull terriers, to tell you the truth, but I know too much to glean conclusions from that. My ddb x female actually beat up a pitbull that attacked her, believe it or not. A quick skirmish but it attacked the back of her neck on it's hindlegs and she grabbed it and flipped it down onto it's back and was mauling it. Lacerated it near the ear. This is a funny one because she was a totally lethargic non-entity, but I guess kind of a bulldog vs bull terrier fight? My current BA and kelpie teamed up to beat up a rednose pitbull as well, but very brief skirmish and the pitbull actually ran away... I've seen staffies and ebts beat rottweilers and similar... Trying to think of seeing a bull terrier beating bulldog or boarhound and drawing a blank, but obviously I know they can and even most often do in real fights.

Above all, my experiences tell me that individual dogs vary so much. It's almost like talking about human races. "Black guys beat white guys", ok, but what if Stipe Miocic fights Kenan Thompson from Saturday night live? You know what I mean? My black staffy was like Kenan Thompson, lol. My DDB x was like Aidy Bryant. Look them up if you don't watch SNL.
We have to generalise A LOT in these discussions, so much so we almost start being inaccurate but it is worth characterising/generalising types to some extent I think.