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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 16:56:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 16:57:20 GMT
I favour Cretoxyrhina as it has experience with large and formidable predators - actually hunting them and also is one of the fastest sharks that we know of, which makes it incredibly impressive overall imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 17:11:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 17:12:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 17:27:09 GMT
Despite the orca’s size advantage, in a 1v1 fight my money’s on the Cretoxyrhina at least 55/45 due to its speed and deadlier jaws.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 17:32:57 GMT
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 17:52:16 GMT
Wow... ok so around the year 2000-2005 I spent thousands of hours writing hundreds of thousands of words passionately explaining why orcas beat great whites. I'll be honest, I forget most of my talking points, but I do distinctly remember winning the debate against the most passionate shark fans the world has ever seen. I just am quietly contemplating whether I'm ready to embark down that path again...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 18:10:18 GMT
Wow... ok so around the year 2000-2005 I spent thousands of hours writing hundreds of thousands of words passionately explaining why orcas beat great whites. I'll be honest, I forget most of my talking points, but I do distinctly remember winning the debate against the most passionate shark fans the world has ever seen. I just am quietly contemplating whether I'm ready to embark down that path again... Comparing a Great white to Cretoxyrhina is ridiculous. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 18:16:36 GMT
Wow... ok so around the year 2000-2005 I spent thousands of hours writing hundreds of thousands of words passionately explaining why orcas beat great whites. I'll be honest, I forget most of my talking points, but I do distinctly remember winning the debate against the most passionate shark fans the world has ever seen. I just am quietly contemplating whether I'm ready to embark down that path again... I do kind of want to see you go full beast mode, I get the impression you’ve been holding back/going easy on us? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 18:17:06 GMT
Wow... ok so around the year 2000-2005 I spent thousands of hours writing hundreds of thousands of words passionately explaining why orcas beat great whites. I'll be honest, I forget most of my talking points, but I do distinctly remember winning the debate against the most passionate shark fans the world has ever seen. I just am quietly contemplating whether I'm ready to embark down that path again... Comparing a Great white to Cretoxyrhina is ridiculous. Oh.. ok, you will need to educate me on that. I thought they were literally the same size and very similar. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 18:23:01 GMT
Comparing a Great white to Cretoxyrhina is ridiculous. Oh.. ok, you will need to educate me on that. I thought they were literally the same size and very similar. They do share SOME similarities, but their prey of choice, size and etc is too much to make them comparable. “Measuring up to 8 meters (26 ft) in length and weighing over 4,944 kilograms (4.866 long tons; 5.450 short tons), Cretoxyrhina was one of the largest sharks of its time. Having a similar appearance and build to the modern great white shark, it was an apex predator in its ecosystem and preyed on a large variety of marine animals including mosasaurs and plesiosaurs, sharks and other large fish, pterosaurs, and occasionally dinosaurs. Its teeth, up to 8 centimeters (3 in) in height, were razor-like and had thick enamel built for stabbing and slicing prey. Cretoxyrhina was also among the fastest-swimming sharks, with hydrodynamic calculations suggesting burst speed capabilities of up to 70 kilometers per hour (43 mph).“ “The great white shark (Carcharodon carcharias), also known as the white shark, white pointer, or simply great white, is a species of large mackerel shark which can be found in the coastal surface waters of all the major oceans. It is notable for its size, with larger female individuals growing to 6.1 m (20 ft) in length and 1,905–2,268 kg (4,200–5,000 lb) in weight at maturity. However, most are smaller; males measure 3.4 to 4.0 m (11 to 13 ft), and females measure 4.6 to 4.9 m (15 to 16 ft) on average. Great white sharks can swim at speeds of 25 km/h (16 mph)[10] for short bursts and to depths of 1,200 m (3,900 ft).” |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 18:57:29 GMT
Well it SOUNDs super impressive, bigger and stronger than a great white and also way way way faster... I find that a little odd tbh. I feel like the great white at it's max sizes is kind of pushing the limits of what is physically possible for a cartilaginous fish of that size. You may need to get used to the fact I don't respect these experts and their speculations at all. Somewhat obnoxiously, I consider myself more qualified than basically anyone who has ever lived to assess the physical performance of animals. This idea that this shark in particular was a supercharged turbo mega great white sounds like BS to me. If it's as big as a great white, it's at best comparable to a great white, a little bigger and it has a slightly greater capacity for damage output but also suffers somewhat in speed and mobility, the same way a max size great white suffers compared to a smaller great white.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 19:02:05 GMT
Well it SOUNDs super impressive, bigger and stronger than a great white and also way way way faster... I find that a little odd tbh. I feel like the great white at it's max sizes is kind of pushing the limits of what is physically possible for a cartilaginous fish of that size. You may need to get used to the fact I don't respect these experts and their speculations at all. Somewhat obnoxiously, I consider myself more qualified than basically anyone who has ever lived to assess the physical performance of animals. This idea that this shark in particular was a supercharged turbo mega great white sounds like BS to me. If it's as big as a great white, it's at best comparable to a great white, a little bigger and it has a slightly greater capacity for damage output but also suffers somewhat in speed and mobility, the same way a max size great white suffers compared to a smaller great white. I also believe experts that have specialised in this stuff for years and actually have qualifications and degrees over some guy that discusses animal 1v1s on the internet (no offence). Although there is some debate about physiological factors limiting its speed, it seems to be a hot topic right now - nothing is certain… but as you can see it’s clearly above a Great white’s league. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 19:18:54 GMT
I didn’t like the picture of the Cretoxyrhina I used prior, so I found one that’s supposed to represent a life restoration. It has a similar build to the Great white but has noticeably longer fins.  Attachments:
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 19:19:49 GMT
None taken, I totally understand your logic. How old are you though? I can almost guarantee you will gradually become more and more disillusioned with the experts the deeper you dive into this stuff over time. The reality is the actual serious experts don't analyse animals in this specific way that we do. They dismissively throw stuff around about performance because they don't anticipate anyone will be taking it as seriously as we do. There's no legitimate academic scientific field that focusses specifically on what we do. We are, for lack of a better term, the experts. We are the authorities. I would have to compose myself and take deep breaths to stop laughing before I could begin a debate with a palaeontologist expert focussed on prehistoric sharks, before I soundly thrashed the fuck out of him in a debate. I understand why you still faithfully believe he must know more than us, but over time you will come to realise it's not the case.
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