Post by brobear on Jan 15, 2023 11:30:24 GMT
Here are the most heated failures of the tiger fans:
1- W.J. Jankowski report (1943)
W.J. Jankowski was a trophy hunter. He reported that he had shot and killed a huge tiger; the biggest tiger he had ever seen. He estimated the tiger at 700 pounds or 317.51 kilograms. Well, the heaviest wild tiger ever recorded weighed just under 600 pounds or 272.16 kilograms. Therefore, this hunter either grossly overestimated the size of the tiger or simply told a blatant lie.
He went on to report that this huge tiger had killed a big male brown bear. Although I have also read that he never stated the species of the bear (?). Nevertheless, he said that only the head and a paw was left of the bear carcass. How then, could he possibly know that this bear was killed by the tiger? Also, how can we even know that there was a bear? There is no mystery as to why his story was not confirmed.
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2- Batalov event (2017)
The full-grown male brown bear called Chlamid was a satellite bear who had been trailing and robbing a tigress of her kills. When he suddenly quit and moved on out of the area, it was automatically assumed by some that the big male tiger of this area, Ocharik, had killed and eaten the bear. First of all, a satellite bear does not continue following a tigress for any great length of time. Usually no longer than maybe a four or five weeks. Also, it was stated that hunters with rifles had just moved into the area. Therefore, the bear's leaving the area is no great mystery.
But, the fanboys see this as an open-and-shut case of a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear. Even though there was no bear carcass found and no kill-site discovered. Not one single shred of evidence. It was said that Ocharik had scant bear remains in his scat, but if he had been feeding on the carcass of a 600-pounds or better brown bear, then his droppings would have been more like 90% bear. There is no mystery as to why this story was not confirmed.
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3- Khabarovsk Territory event (2022)
It was reported in a local newspaper after non-professionals inspected the grounds near the carcass of a small brown bear that they had discovered, that the tiger Odyr had fought and killed a huge male brown bear. After the tiger fanboys had celebrated for a good solid month what they saw as a "great tiger fanboy victory", their party was crashed.
According to M.P. Milezhik, Head of Protection Department, quote: "Hello, the bear's name was Misha, and he was about 3 years old. The tiger wasn't hurt in the battle."
So, as it turns out, the big male tiger called Odyr had ambushed and killed his usual brown bear prey choice, an adolescent three-year-old bear. Also, according to those on site as well as the tiger fanboys insisting, Odyr had an extremely hard time killing this little bear.
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From this topic's opening post: Dale had been weighed-in at 445 pounds.
The truth - the biggest adult bear killed by Dale weighed between 330 and 440 pounds. Average-out those two numbers and we get 385 pounds. Therefore, the biggest bear confirmed killed by a tiger probably weighed roughly 385 pounds. So, Dale probably had roughly a 60-pound weight advantage over this she-bear that he had ambushed and struggled with for roughly 20-minutes before killing her.
*Conclusion; Considering that not one of the stories reported concerning a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear could stand in the light of truth and that the biggest bear reported to be killed by a tiger that did actually happen was probably under 400-pounds, we are left with the truth about tigers and bears.
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From "Mammals of the Soviet Union By Vladimir Georgievich Geptner, A. A. Nasimovich, Andreĭ Grigorʹevich"
"Early in May, 1951 on the bank of Tatibe River (Iman tributary), a bear was found (body lengh 158 cm, weight 170kg), which had obviously been mauled by tigress"
158 cm = 5 feet 2 inches. 170 kg = 374.79 pounds. According to Warsaw, who stated that according to the measurements, this was an adolescent brown bear.
Typical Amur tigress roughly the same weight as the bear. Neither the tigress nor the bear were actually weighed. All weights are estimated.
1- W.J. Jankowski report (1943)
W.J. Jankowski was a trophy hunter. He reported that he had shot and killed a huge tiger; the biggest tiger he had ever seen. He estimated the tiger at 700 pounds or 317.51 kilograms. Well, the heaviest wild tiger ever recorded weighed just under 600 pounds or 272.16 kilograms. Therefore, this hunter either grossly overestimated the size of the tiger or simply told a blatant lie.
He went on to report that this huge tiger had killed a big male brown bear. Although I have also read that he never stated the species of the bear (?). Nevertheless, he said that only the head and a paw was left of the bear carcass. How then, could he possibly know that this bear was killed by the tiger? Also, how can we even know that there was a bear? There is no mystery as to why his story was not confirmed.
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2- Batalov event (2017)
The full-grown male brown bear called Chlamid was a satellite bear who had been trailing and robbing a tigress of her kills. When he suddenly quit and moved on out of the area, it was automatically assumed by some that the big male tiger of this area, Ocharik, had killed and eaten the bear. First of all, a satellite bear does not continue following a tigress for any great length of time. Usually no longer than maybe a four or five weeks. Also, it was stated that hunters with rifles had just moved into the area. Therefore, the bear's leaving the area is no great mystery.
But, the fanboys see this as an open-and-shut case of a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear. Even though there was no bear carcass found and no kill-site discovered. Not one single shred of evidence. It was said that Ocharik had scant bear remains in his scat, but if he had been feeding on the carcass of a 600-pounds or better brown bear, then his droppings would have been more like 90% bear. There is no mystery as to why this story was not confirmed.
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3- Khabarovsk Territory event (2022)
It was reported in a local newspaper after non-professionals inspected the grounds near the carcass of a small brown bear that they had discovered, that the tiger Odyr had fought and killed a huge male brown bear. After the tiger fanboys had celebrated for a good solid month what they saw as a "great tiger fanboy victory", their party was crashed.
According to M.P. Milezhik, Head of Protection Department, quote: "Hello, the bear's name was Misha, and he was about 3 years old. The tiger wasn't hurt in the battle."
So, as it turns out, the big male tiger called Odyr had ambushed and killed his usual brown bear prey choice, an adolescent three-year-old bear. Also, according to those on site as well as the tiger fanboys insisting, Odyr had an extremely hard time killing this little bear.
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From this topic's opening post: Dale had been weighed-in at 445 pounds.
The truth - the biggest adult bear killed by Dale weighed between 330 and 440 pounds. Average-out those two numbers and we get 385 pounds. Therefore, the biggest bear confirmed killed by a tiger probably weighed roughly 385 pounds. So, Dale probably had roughly a 60-pound weight advantage over this she-bear that he had ambushed and struggled with for roughly 20-minutes before killing her.
*Conclusion; Considering that not one of the stories reported concerning a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear could stand in the light of truth and that the biggest bear reported to be killed by a tiger that did actually happen was probably under 400-pounds, we are left with the truth about tigers and bears.
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From "Mammals of the Soviet Union By Vladimir Georgievich Geptner, A. A. Nasimovich, Andreĭ Grigorʹevich"
"Early in May, 1951 on the bank of Tatibe River (Iman tributary), a bear was found (body lengh 158 cm, weight 170kg), which had obviously been mauled by tigress"
158 cm = 5 feet 2 inches. 170 kg = 374.79 pounds. According to Warsaw, who stated that according to the measurements, this was an adolescent brown bear.
Typical Amur tigress roughly the same weight as the bear. Neither the tigress nor the bear were actually weighed. All weights are estimated.