Size Comparisons

[oldgreengrolar]

Jan 9, 2023 19:46:30 GMT Johnson said:

Here is an American Black Bear and a Syrian Brown Bear standing side by side.

The Syrian brown bear is the slightly dominant one but both are nowhere near aggressive as the barren ground grizzly.

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Hi theundertaker45 . Could you please make a size comparison between a male Bornean orangutan and a male Eastern lowland gorilla? Only if you have the time of course. Thanks. 

[oldgreengrolar]

[Hardcastle]

Bull Arab and AWD. Interesting to see how the AWD is about an inch or two taller, but much lighter and you can see why pretty clearly I think with the size comparison.

[Hardcastle]

This is my calculated estimation of what dogo vs puma actually would look like at parity, around 105 lbs.
Heartbreaker... reality check for many of the videos too.

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Jan 27, 2023 18:24:59 GMT Hardcastle said:

This is my calculated estimation of what dogo vs puma actually would look like at parity, around 105 lbs.
Heartbreaker... reality check for many of the videos too.

So the cougar being ravaged by the pack of lurchers was 105lbs as opposed to the 130 we were thinking?

[Hardcastle]

No. It was bigger than that by about 25 lbs. No dog there looked bigger or as big, let alone actually being bigger.
In that comparison the dogo looks bigger, but isn't. In that video the cougar looked bigger than all the dogs, and was even more bigger than that eye test would suggest.

[theundertaker45]

I thought I might post something very interesting here; two frontal comparisons. I noticed that a lot of the small cats were matched up against the small dogs in the past, so I thought why not compare a Staffy and a caracal at average dimensions? Their weight overlaps heavily (although on average the Staffy is heavier) and the result is quite shocking.






Now this looks like a marathon runner next to a powerlifter. I next proceeded to make a cougar roughly the caracal's height and he fares much better. 





So you can clearly see how much more robust the Staffy is than the caracal but also how a really large cat regularly hunting big game compares to a small cat; two different dimensions.

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Jan 29, 2023 18:00:40 GMT theundertaker45 said:

I thought I might post something very interesting here; two frontal comparisons. I noticed that a lot of the small cats were matched up against the small dogs in the past, so I thought why not compare a Staffy and a caracal at average dimensions? Their weight overlaps heavily (although on average the Staffy is heavier) and the result is quite shocking.






Now this looks like a marathon runner next to a powerlifter. I next proceeded to make a cougar roughly the caracal's height and he fares much better. 





So you can clearly see how much more robust the Staffy is than the caracal but also how a really large cat regularly hunting big game compares to a small cat; two different dimensions.

It's sad being a caracal (or serval, or lynx), having the body of a marathon runner but not one tiny fractional amount of stamina. I think they were scammed in their character creation stage, lied to by god.

[Hardcastle]

@ling

Out of curiosity I'd like to see you pick apart this pic-



I've seen it for years and just thought "ok, probably right, whatever", now I'm thinking it's probably definitely all wrong. I thought of it when I saw your t-rex/elephants comparison. This is obviously very different, what else is wrong with it?

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Jan 30, 2023 13:53:39 GMT Hardcastle said:

@ling

Out of curiosity I'd like to see you pick apart this pic-



I've seen it for years and just thought "ok, probably right, whatever", now I'm thinking it's probably definitely all wrong. I thought of it when I saw your t-rex/elephants comparison. This is obviously very different, what else is wrong with it?

A lot of the animals are too large or too small. They all have pretty inaccurate designs too. Why is the t-rex smaller than the african elephant? Why does hatzegopteryx have a small head? Why is leedsichthys so bulky? Why is the great white so large? Why is the megalodon so small? Why is pliosaurus the same size as the megalodon too? And etc.

[Hardcastle]

One thing I notice is the bull sperm whale should be WAY bigger. The record bull sperm was 80 feet long, that's 72% of the Blue whale's 110 feet, that would place the bull sperm nearly up to the blue whale's eye.

If the pred x/meg comparison was accurate, and the elephant/t-rex, I'd consider them very compelling fights. Hypothetically of course, lol.

[theundertaker45]

My latest and definitely most accurate version so far. A few points to consider:



1) Difference between length over curves and length in a straight line: in big cats normally around ~5% whereas in brown bears normally 18-20%. This is why over the curves a large bear seems a good deal longer than a big cat but in reality he might actually be a bit shorter.


2) Estimated shoulder heights: Siberian tigers in the Sikhote-Alin were measured from the tip of the shoulder blade to the wrist; the whole pad should normally add around 5cm from what I've read; hence 93cm -> increased to 98cm for the Siberian tiger. For the Ussuri brown bear I used the relation between shoulder height and head-body length over the curves in Yellowstone grizzlies. Hence a length of 212cm will lead me to a shoulder height of 103cm. I know that there is a figure from a hunting magazine indicating an average shoulder height of 115cm for a male Ussuri brown bears, however, when you look at the morphometrics of bears, you'll soon realize that 115cm would be more appropriate for a male bear of 750lbs or upwards.


3) Estimated chest girth: I assume the chest girth of an average Ussuri brown bear to be 144cm; I used a sample of 22 Yellowstone grizzlies and a sample of 5 coastal grizzlies for the calculation. The reason being that it's very likely that body weight/chest girth relations show a different graph at higher weights and including a few really big bears accounts for more reliability then.



All in all this looks different from my previous comparison where I scaled the bear to 115cm and the tiger to 100cm; but in this case it should be much more accurate. We must not forget that bears pack more mass per length than big cats and have a typically broader build. While the difference here might not look that significant (we are talking about an average weight difference of almost 70kg); if you looked at them from the front, you'd definitely see the 70kg the tiger is lacking.

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How about a spanish fighting bull and alano/pitbull/dogo/etc. comparison? (Not all of them, just which is easiest, preferably alano but the others work just as well)

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Jan 30, 2023 16:31:02 GMT Hardcastle said:

One thing I notice is the bull sperm whale should be WAY bigger. The record bull sperm was 80 feet long, that's 72% of the Blue whale's 110 feet, that would place the bull sperm nearly up to the blue whale's eye.

If the pred x/meg comparison was accurate, and the elephant/t-rex, I'd consider them very compelling fights. Hypothetically of course, lol.

The size of t-rex is complete bull crap, the elephant is like 10-40% larger there. Don't know what shit they were smoking when they made that comparison. Same goes for pliosaurus (Predator X). There is no reason for a pliosaur to have been 45 tons in weight, while all the others were like 10 tons max. It's also just too overpowered lol... The megalodon is tiny as well, it's like 13m long max. Even old estimates place it at around 16 m in length.