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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2022 7:20:44 GMT
rumble.com/v22adrg-catahoula-bulldog-training.htmlIt appears a bit iffy to me, forcing a smaller pig to just be a chew toy like that. I don't mind pen fights but the dog learning to deal with getting hurt IS part of it... no point in hindering the pig IMO.
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 25, 2022 11:22:30 GMT
I hate it. If you need to do something like that with a dog it sucks anyway, and also I just don't like unsporting contests. I wouldn't do "training" on captive pigs at all, BUT if I did it would be a boar that loves wrecking dogs and the dog would be on it's own to sink or swim. If it got fucked up, I'd say "good job pig", and drag the dog's sorry carcass out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 22:15:16 GMT
I hate it. If you need to do something like that with a dog it sucks anyway, and also I just don't like unsporting contests. I wouldn't do "training" on captive pigs at all, BUT if I did it would be a boar that loves wrecking dogs and the dog would be on it's own to sink or swim. If it got fucked up, I'd say "good job pig", and drag the dog's sorry carcass out. What do you consider to be sporting? I agree by the way. I do support pen fights with actual adult pigs that aren't being held back like the rest of us southerners. We're also gay and do stupid shit like that. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 28, 2022 9:56:56 GMT
Sporting means there's a contest where both sides have a somewhat balanced chance to prevail. The more balanced, the more sporting. My ethics mostly revolve around things being sporting. That's why I like the 1800s so much because that was the primary focus of "gentlemen" of that time, and I share their mentality. Like you don't necessarily want your dog to win, you want their to be a fair sporting contest and for the one who deserves to win, to win. It doesn't necessarily have to mean your dog has an equal chance of dying as the prey, but that the prey has an equal chance of "winning" which can mean just getting away.
I actually hate things like live-feeding rats to pythons. People are like "what's the difference? it's what happens in the wild", but no it absolutely isn't because it's not sporting. The rat has no opportunity to use it's hide and seek skills to evade the snake, it's just served on a platter and it's very unsporting and I find it gross and unethical. "Quick and painless" to me is secondary to sporting. Sporting is number 1. The prey should have an avenue to earn it's freedom and it's life by using the qualities it evolved to evade predation. If it has that opportunity, and fails, that is on the animal, and the harmony of nature is preserved while it dies in agony. But if you rig the game you are defying nature and potentially taking out super high quality specimens who should survive and breed and you are disrupting the equilibrium of the universe. So say if a guy in a wheelchair snipers an elk from a km away and it never had any chance to even know he was there, that might be an elk that is amazingly great at fending off and evading wolves and cougars and is like the Michael Jordan of elk and this unworthy invalid just ruined everything. That bothers me a lot. Much more than an sub-par elk being slowly torn apart and eaten alive by wolves. Don't get wrong, I'd like to minimise suffering as well, but number 1 top priority is a sporting contest. Then minimise suffering.
So catch dogs are perfect IMO, because the prey has to fail and lose a sporting contest first, and THEN you come along and end it's suffering quickly. Ideally. Doesn't always pan out this way (on the sporting side or the minimisation of suffering side), but that's the ideal hunters should aspire for.
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