Which country has the most formidable/efficient boardogs?

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I'd say:
Australia - Sighthound x Bulldog hybrid = quite hard hit + pointer/scenthound blood gives better nose than most others
South Africa - Very tough sighthounds that can run down anything, some have an even better nose but lacking some necessary bull blood. Bull lurchers aren't quite fast enough to compromise
South America - Similar to Australia but limited in their options. It's really a tossup between Argentina and South Africa, the Boergreyhound/Maritsane/Galgo Patagonico/Dogal are all the same
Southern USA - Nothing but straight bulldogs and big 120-130lb dogos. Curs are used to bay so all the dogs here are drop dogs. We hate sighthounds here for some stupid reason
Pakistan/India - Don't know anything about them but they have Bully Kuttas and Gull Terriers which would be solid if crossed to sighthound
Those are the main countries I can think of.
@hardcastle I don't know much about North Africa and frankly Pakistan/India either, perhaps you'd know?

[pinky]

You’d think a civilisation as old as India would be high up on performance dogs; they have the wildlife, they don’t have over abundances of food so all the ingredients to have dragged a decent type thru the ages yet they seem to have said “fuck it” with the British Raj’s arrival & used slightly ill bred European dogs since.
Ok they seem to have preserved the gull terr alright but the rest don’t impress so much.
Antonio used to have a video of (I dunno it wasn’t a hunt nor was it baiting, like an enclosed hint) their dogs catching boar. They seemed heavily westernised
Don’t get me going on the bully Kutta which seems to be a euro boarhound with just enough Indian fucking about to ruin it

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Dec 21, 2022 5:48:04 GMT pinky said:

You’d think a civilisation as old as India would be high up on performance dogs; they have the wildlife, they don’t have over abundances of food so all the ingredients to have dragged a decent type thru the ages yet they seem to have said “fuck it” with the British Raj’s arrival & used slightly ill bred European dogs since.
Ok they seem to have preserved the gull terr alright but the rest don’t impress so much.
Antonio used to have a video of (I dunno it wasn’t a hunt nor was it baiting, like an enclosed hint) their dogs catching boar. They seemed heavily westernised
Don’t get me going on the bully Kutta which seems to be a euro boarhound with just enough Indian fucking about to ruin it

Pinky!!!

[lincoln]

Dec 21, 2022 5:59:03 GMT Bolushi said:

Dec 21, 2022 5:48:04 GMT pinky said:

You’d think a civilisation as old as India would be high up on performance dogs; they have the wildlife, they don’t have over abundances of food so all the ingredients to have dragged a decent type thru the ages yet they seem to have said “fuck it” with the British Raj’s arrival & used slightly ill bred European dogs since.
Ok they seem to have preserved the gull terr alright but the rest don’t impress so much.
Antonio used to have a video of (I dunno it wasn’t a hunt nor was it baiting, like an enclosed hint) their dogs catching boar. They seemed heavily westernised
Don’t get me going on the bully Kutta which seems to be a euro boarhound with just enough Indian fucking about to ruin it

Pinky!!!

He lives!

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Indians breed a lot of BKs just to be big and bulky as a status symbol. Perhaps to try to Indianize the Bully Kutta so people don't make fun of them for their national dog being a Great Dane.

[pinky]

Aye. They are touchy about that. Yet I’ve never seen any dna study from the “indus valley mastiff “ crowd.
Big, ugly, ill fed Gt Danes fir my money

[Hardcastle]

I don't believe any magic pixie dust gets sprinkled on the boardogs of any country in particular, I could easily be biased and say Australia because I feel like the abundance of proof of impressive boardogs in Australia frankly obliterates all other countries, BUT I don't believe the boardogs in Argentina, New Zealand, Hawaii, Southern US, Spain/Portugal, South Africa, even Pakistan are inherently worse (though make no mistake bully kuttas are crap, long retired, their bull/sighthounds are still ok). It's actually not rocket science, a dog that's basically mostly bull and/or mastiff x sighthound is gonna probably make a decent boarhound. And even in Australia ALSO might not. No matter the country you're gonna probably get a similar ratio of diamonds and lemons per boarhound litter and it just is what it is. When you start talking about different types of dogs used as boardogs, THEN I feel like I can say they suck IMO. I just don't like the way scenthounds work, and I'm not crazy about curs for boars either (though I respect them and like them for other game).
But a bull/lurcher based boarhound can be cool no matter where it is from. The southern US don't tend to breed bull lurchers that much but when they do I think they can be just as good as anywhere else. A texan guy I knew who bred dogo x american staghounds, I thought they looked as good as any aussie pig dog I've seen and by his sober descriptions seemed legit as hell.
Pakistan and Hawaii both seem to be doing everything right, but also for whatever reason I haven't seen dogs that blow me away. But that could just be a numbers game, I haven't seen enough. Australia has average and below average boardogs too, I've just seen so many that I've seen the great ones as well. To some extent this applies a little to new zealand as well. I know they are doing it right, I haven't necessarily SEEN the great pig dogs but I'm sure they have them. I think south africa low-key has great pig dogs but which haven't necessarily gotten much exposure. It's been all boergreys and you could be excused for thinking that's all they have but the south africans I talked to would hint at proper pig dogs as well like bull x boergreys (and boerboel x boergrey- there's the ONE photo) and even actually casually referred to them as "pig dogs" in a way which implied they're a common every day thing they take for granted. I bet they have very good pig dogs, as well as their very impressive boergreys and wolfhound-esque maritsane (also great lurchers). Which reminds me, probably should give a shout out to england which DOES breed really nice looking bull-lurchers which they use on deer, foxes and badgers and etc and I believe would readily be good pig dogs given half the opportunity.

I bet a lot of south american countries probably have good pig dogging cultures we don't even hear about. Probably some extra african ones too, on top of the south african scene.

Europe... I don't understand why it seems there isn't really much of a scene outside of spain and portugal. Spain and portugal seem legit though, with alano espanols and also bull (probably alano) x sighthound types. They DO tend to like using big packs and they also seem to like watching the dogs tear the boar apart for way too long, and then sometimes eventually finish it with a spear or something weird like that. To some extent argentina leans a little this way as well. But I don't necessarily think it negatively impacts the quality of the dogs.

I will say I think Australia may have the most efficient HUMAN boar doggers. I'm yet to see hunters in other countries doing things in a way I would deem efficient relative to Aussies. SOME aussies. Australian pig-dogging culture has the emphasis on "one out" (one dog to catch one pig) and "running on" and they hold eachother accountable for gratuituous torture of the quarry and etc etc.
Most of what I have seen from other countries seems a little haphazard and sloppy, but I know there are undoubtedly many exceptions (both ways).
These aussie pig dogging channels are all good with efficient good human hunters, to name a few-
www.youtube.com/@bigboars1out746
www.youtube.com/@boaringaustralia
www.youtube.com/@hogsdogsquads
www.youtube.com/@pigchasingaustralia
And also could refer to Bloom brothers DVDs. Closest thing to a channel-
www.youtube.com/@areuinsane/videos

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England’s dogs; I’m biased, obviously, & the number of hunting dogs has dropped since the ban noticeably (2004) but I still feel we could churn out excellent dogs within a generation or two. We still have, for my money, the best terriers on the planet, it’s always been a slightly shifty corner of the dog world & badgers will still be dug out at night & the dogs remain what they were. Less of them but still there.
Bullgreys seem to be rarer than in my youth (30 years back) but I move in different circles now, I physically live in another area (5 miles but worlds away) and by the nature of hunting with dogs here if you’re not in it, you’re not gonna see it.

Bloody lefty students, obsessed with class & social justice under the banner of animal cruelty, stopped the fox hunts & all hunting with dogs with it. I remember at the time protests at hunts were getting really nasty, violent & underhand; I oft thought of going counter protesting, take a few lads from the football & go thru them like a dose but , yeah , I was busy. Probably wise too .

So we’re getting a feral wild hog population in some corners, so obviously they have culls. If, & it will never happen in this fucking nanny state I now live in, we were allowed to hunt these with dogs I have no doubt we’d be churning out quality. Alas, Great Britain is less great than it once was

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Some of the pictures are gone now, weird. Guess I'll delete the post then.