Thylacoleo vs O'Halloran Hound (2)

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50/50 IMO, max size Thylacoleo probably wins.

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I think sadly Australian native animals were very very lame, hence why they were so easily eradicated. I actually think two O'Hallorans would handle this. I don't think it could actually do much when seized on either side of the head by these brutish dogs. I think it would just stand there and make an annoying noise.

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Dec 15, 2022 19:30:38 GMT Hardcastle said:

I think sadly Australian native animals were very very lame, hence why they were so easily eradicated. I actually think two O'Hallorans would handle this. I don't think it could actually do much when seized on either side of the head by these brutish dogs. I think it would just stand there and make an annoying noise.

Didn't they have dexterous hands they could use to grapple down the dogs? I mean they were marsupials which is by default a - but still. Seems jaguar-ish?
I will say it's weird how Australia's native animals all got murdered very quickly by tribal primitive people without dogs, meanwhile tigers and jaguars and even cougars/leopards still exist somehow?

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Yes I do believe they were dexterous with their forelimbs... and? It doesn't help cats now and didn't help thylacoleo then. It had a tiny brain, didn't move that well (because it's prey didn't) and just wasn't up to a high standard because Australia was frankly a prehistoric continent. That's why introduced species crush so hard, they are just pros on an amateur playing field. O'Hallorans would also find it easy mode, like we're used to boars and bears and aurochs and wolves... what is this shit?

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Dec 15, 2022 19:41:06 GMT Hardcastle said:

Yes I do believe they were dexterous with their forelimbs... and? It doesn't help cats now and didn't help thylacoleo then. It had a tiny brain, didn't move that well (because it's prey didn't) and just wasn't up to a high standard because Australia was frankly a prehistoric continent. That's why introduced species crush so hard, they are just pros on an amateur playing field. O'Hallorans would also find it easy mode, like we're used to boars and bears and aurochs and wolves... what is this shit?

It works for jaguars. They're quite big. Matter of fact Thylacoleo is like 100lbs bigger than both of its opponents. If feline rules apply it'd mean ''feline kills one, kills other, and another, and another etc. etc.'' but I guess it was some sort of hyena jaguar mix.
Lol, yeah Australia kind of got screwed over. No wonder kangaroos were one of the only ones to survive, very fast. Not a slow lumbering loser animal.

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Dec 15, 2022 19:30:38 GMT Hardcastle said:

I think sadly Australian native animals were very very lame, hence why they were so easily eradicated.

Based on paper morphology alone one might assume marsupial lion is lb-for-lb about as formidable as you can get among the carnivorans, and possibly more formidable than any extant carnivoran in the large-weight animal range. Marsupials for a start tend to have greater bite forces than other mammals (in the case of marsupial lion, comparable to a large male African lion), and I'm guessing might also be abnormally strong and robust.

Other characteristics like speed, stamina, I'm not sure of. But game-wise they might be let down, somewhat akin to a brown hyena that on paper is impressive in some important morphological traits, but is just a crappy fighter. Maybe marsupial lion is a bit like that.

Regardless, it would have to go to the two hounds, even if the lion was a proficient fighter for a 250 lb carnivoran. The size difference isn't large enough for a carnivoran of that size to outmatched two veteran hounds of that size and nature. Found an old write-up Earnfart made on the hound on CF carnivora.net/o-halloran-hound-t6973.html

Says there that O'halloran hounds are used to lug boars of any size. So yeah what's the 250 lb lion going to do? With any skilled catchdog I'd probably want a pair of them to be almost under 100 lbs for them to both lose to an African lioness or male marsupial lion.

One could almost make the extrapolation that because the marsupial lion has the bite force of a large male African lion, that it is up there at that level in a scrap. But reality is it probably wasn't the case, probably more comparable to an African lionness of comparable weight.

If there isn't a thread already on it I wouldn't mind African lioness vs marsupial lion.

Voting would probably come back strongly in favour of marsupial lion, what with the awe humans tend to have for ancient extinct creatures along with the impressive morphology the marsupial has on paper. You look on paper at the physical traits of marsupial lion and eyes pop out of their head, like for one, as Tristan alluded to, claws with semi-opposable thumbs.

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Dec 15, 2022 21:59:53 GMT @ajay said:

Dec 15, 2022 19:30:38 GMT Hardcastle said:

I think sadly Australian native animals were very very lame, hence why they were so easily eradicated.

Based on paper morphology alone one might assume marsupial lion is lb-for-lb about as formidable as you can get among the carnivorans, and possibly more formidable than any extant carnivoran in the large-weight animal range. Marsupials for a start tend to have greater bite forces than other mammals (in the case of marsupial lion, comparable to a large male African lion), and I'm guessing might also be abnormally strong and robust.

Other characteristics like speed, stamina, I'm not sure of. But game-wise they might be let down, somewhat akin to a brown hyena that on paper is impressive in some important morphological traits, but is just a crappy fighter. Maybe marsupial lion is a bit like that.

Regardless, it would have to go to the two hounds, even if the lion was a proficient fighter for a 250 lb carnivoran. The size difference isn't large enough for a carnivoran of that size to outmatched two veteran hounds of that size and nature. Found an old write-up Earnfart made on the hound on CF carnivora.net/o-halloran-hound-t6973.html

Says there that O'halloran hounds are used to lug boars of any size. So yeah what's the 250 lb lion going to do? With any skilled catchdog I'd probably want a pair of them to be almost under 100 lbs for them to both lose to an African lioness or male marsupial lion.

One could almost make the extrapolation that because the marsupial lion has the bite force of a large male African lion, that it is up there at that level in a scrap. But reality is it probably wasn't the case, probably more comparable to an African lionness of comparable weight.

If there isn't a thread already on it I wouldn't mind African lioness vs marsupial lion.

Voting would probably come back strongly in favour of marsupial lion, what with the awe humans tend to have for ancient extinct creatures along with the impressive morphology the marsupial has on paper. You look on paper at the physical traits of marsupial lion and eyes pop out of their head, like for one, as Tristan alluded to, claws with semi-opposable thumbs.

Do you think the 350lb estimate Thylacoleo has this?
Made lioness v m. lion btw