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Post by lincoln on Jan 4, 2023 17:07:16 GMT
What intrigues me about bigfoot are the legends of tribal people who have never encountered one another but have matching stories of a history with large ape-men. Their geographical distribution is interesting too. Through Asia and Russia, over in the Americas and then down in Australia. This makes it seem like humans encountered an ape man in asia during their out-of-africa migration tens of thousands of years ago. The crazy thing is that the natives spoke of more cryptic creatures, of course the big hairy man (Bigfoot), flying man-like creature (mothman?), catani (baboon/monkey like creature) to name a few. The thing that confuses me is that most mythical creatures in native stories are based off real life animals. If there were no apes or flying men to inspire them then what inspired the stories? Not saying this proves they exist, just a odd little detail |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 17:11:14 GMT
Phew, I didn’t see the jk at first. Sorry, I should stop joking about stuff like that, lol. I definitely think you are wrong though. I don't think this creature still exists but I think humans definitely encountered a hairy hominid that they still tell legends about. I don't think a spider monkey would muster up such a legend. Fine, but I still think Bigfoot never existed for the same reason that I think the Thylacine definitely went extinct: lack of physical evidence. No bones (whether fossil or recent), scat, or hairs. Also, if they are abundant enough to establish a breeding population then surely someone would have caught one on tape by now? |
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Post by lincoln on Jan 4, 2023 17:15:42 GMT
Sorry, I should stop joking about stuff like that, lol. I definitely think you are wrong though. I don't think this creature still exists but I think humans definitely encountered a hairy hominid that they still tell legends about. I don't think a spider monkey would muster up such a legend. Fine, but I still think Bigfoot never existed for the same reason that I think the Thylacine definitely went extinct: lack of physical evidence. No bones (whether fossil or recent), scat, or hairs. Also, if they are abundant enough to establish a breeding population then surely someone would have caught one on tape by now? Well people have reportedly caught it on tape, we just are not sure if it’s actually a Bigfoot |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 17:19:26 GMT
Fine, but I still think Bigfoot never existed for the same reason that I think the Thylacine definitely went extinct: lack of physical evidence. No bones (whether fossil or recent), scat, or hairs. Also, if they are abundant enough to establish a breeding population then surely someone would have caught one on tape by now? Well people have reportedly caught it on tape, we just are not sure if it’s actually a Bigfoot Yes, however I think more people would encounter and report them unless they live in remote, sparsely populated areas. Most cellphones these days have decent quality cameras where it should be possible to distinguish a Bigfoot from a bear or other animal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 19:58:17 GMT
Perhaps it was inspired by excessively hairy and tall nomadic indigenous native people?
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 4, 2023 21:52:42 GMT
To me imagining they might still exist is "fun" but more wishful thinking, very unlikely and pretty far fetched (though I like to suspend disbelief sometimes).
The idea they USED TO exist is totally different, that's much much more plausible and grounded in some very real solid indications. The legends are still quite possibly (and probably) exaggerating some aspects of them. They probably weren't ten foot tall monsters, just significantly taller than the humans who encountered them, who incidentally were very very short. So they may have even just been 6 foot tall, or slightly over, and appeared like monstrosities to the 4'10"-5'0" pygmies that first ventured into prehistoric asia.
Like I said earlier, I think the primary candidate right now is the mysterious "Denisovan man" of asia, with only fragmentary remains found, but all indicate a hominid of significant size and robustness, and one which is also found in the DNA of papuans and aborigines and to a much smaller extent asians and native americans (and it likely got there by rape). Places where the legends of a bigfoot type creature are incidentally dispersed. This "man" we now know about that populated asia for hundreds of thousands of years while neanderthal was in europe and homo sapiens was confined to africa, it seems he may have been covered in fur, and quite large and strong.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 4, 2023 22:38:34 GMT
Perhaps it was inspired by excessively hairy and tall nomadic indigenous native people? Basically yes, but they weren't homo sapiens. |
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Post by Johnson on Jan 5, 2023 8:14:44 GMT
Forgot to add that Natives also believe in skinwalkers and wendigo.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 5, 2023 8:30:30 GMT
Yes that is true. It gets interesting when totally different natives in totally different parts of the world, separated by many tens of thousands of years, describe similar creatures down to fairly minute details which are actually somewhat faithful to realistic living organisms or even real organisms that used to exist.
Papuans, moluccans and east timorese people were actually casually describing Homo Floresiensis for decades and it was laughed at as a silly legend, and then they found the bones.
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Post by Johnson on Jan 5, 2023 9:20:41 GMT
You may have a point about that.
Then again...
"Ecologist Robert Pyle argues that most cultures have accounts of human-like giants in their folk history, expressing a need for "some larger-than-life creature".[35]"
I guess if they took a thorough look for bones of these creatures, they could find something.
Otherwise I am just going to walk the other direction if someone tries to bolster the tourism of their region by claiming that Bigfoot performs the macarena on every full moon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 18:13:29 GMT
Fine, but I still think Bigfoot never existed for the same reason that I think the Thylacine definitely went extinct: lack of physical evidence. No bones (whether fossil or recent), scat, or hairs. Also, if they are abundant enough to establish a breeding population then surely someone would have caught one on tape by now? Well people have reportedly caught it on tape, we just are not sure if it’s actually a Bigfoot Also worth noting that at least some of those were hoaxes or fakes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 3:17:50 GMT
Well people have reportedly caught it on tape, we just are not sure if it’s actually a Bigfoot Also worth noting that at least some of those were hoaxes or fakes. *though not all! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 3:19:25 GMT
If the Denisovan lived in Siberia, how do you suppose Native American tribes with no contact to the Russians had Bigfoot legends? Did Native American ancestors migrate from Siberia? Or perhaps the Denisovan was also native to North America?
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 7, 2023 3:53:37 GMT
If the Denisovan lived in Siberia, how do you suppose Native American tribes with no contact to the Russians had Bigfoot legends? Did Native American ancestors migrate from Siberia? Or perhaps the Denisovan was also native to North America? Of course they migrated from Siberia. How else do you think they got there? Denisovan wasn't limited to Siberia, btw, that's just where they found a few bones. Denisovan populated most of asia.  The legends persist among native americans, aborigines and siberians. People whose ancestors ALL would have co-existed with denisovans in Asia. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 3:56:19 GMT
If the Denisovan lived in Siberia, how do you suppose Native American tribes with no contact to the Russians had Bigfoot legends? Did Native American ancestors migrate from Siberia? Or perhaps the Denisovan was also native to North America? Of course they migrated from Siberia. How else do you think they got there? Denisovan wasn't limited to Siberia, btw, that's just where they found a few bones. Denisovan populated most of asia. The legends persist among native americans, aborigines and siberians. People whose ancestors ALL would have co-existed with denisovans in Asia. Ohhhhh…. Maybe it wasn’t actually Gigantopithecus responsible for the Yeti in east Asia, but rather Denisovans. |
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