Cão de Gado Transmontano vs Mackenzie Valley Wolf

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Transmontanos are 29-31'' for males. For the wolf it's 32-34''. If we assume a 30'' Transmontano and 33'' wolf then the wolf may just be too tall and win after a very, very hard fight. If they're of the same height (and many impressive Transmontanos exist) the wolf is frontran into the ground and chomped to pieces.

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Thoughts?

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This would be a interesting one, the CGT is tall so the wolf wouldn’t have a huge height advantage, the wolf could win but I see the CGT overpowering it

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The wolf is taller and has superior dentition but the Transmontano probably has better endurance. I think more often than not the mastiff will be able to outlast the wolf and then force it off balance. People may claim the wolf has greater agility & killing experience so I suppose it has a decent chance, however the Transmontano is certainly a very large and intimating dog.

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Dec 11, 2022 1:35:50 GMT @packhunter said:

The wolf is taller and has superior dentition but the Transmontano probably has better endurance. I think more often than not the mastiff will be able to outlast the wolf and then force it off balance. People may claim the wolf has greater agility & killing experience so I suppose it has a decent chance, however the Transmontano is certainly a very large and intimating dog.

I'm not sure LGDs are good at outlasting anything, they outlast dogs their size but I think that the fight wouldn't last that long. Keep in mind that the wolf's superior dentition doesn't mean all that much. If you were comparing a wolf and Transmontano at their efficiency at taking down a deer, you could argue the wolf's superior dentition is more effective. However a Transmontano is attacking a wolf and vice versa, and the wolf has bones made out of pine needles while the Transmontano has bones made out of steel. The wolf is a glass cannon and could do a good bit of damage but it has the skin of a track greyhound and it's attacking an animal with thick, loose skin. So the wolf's dentition won't matter because the Transmontano's bites would be catastrophic due to the sheer force of the bite in relation to the wolf's fragility.

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Think the transmontano is in a pretty good position to win this. I think those official heights given are pretty modest too, from what I've seen they look very tall and large. There will be a pretty big weight and power advantage, and I think they'll basically be looking eye to eye. The wolf is quicker and snappier. The wolf could easily avoid the transmontano but if they actually got embroiled in a close quarter fight I think the dog would be too strong. Wolf is on it's back getting mauled very fast.

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Dec 11, 2022 7:37:59 GMT Bolushi said:

Dec 11, 2022 1:35:50 GMT @packhunter said:

The wolf is taller and has superior dentition but the Transmontano probably has better endurance. I think more often than not the mastiff will be able to outlast the wolf and then force it off balance. People may claim the wolf has greater agility & killing experience so I suppose it has a decent chance, however the Transmontano is certainly a very large and intimating dog.

I'm not sure LGDs are good at outlasting anything, they outlast dogs their size but I think that the fight wouldn't last that long. Keep in mind that the wolf's superior dentition doesn't mean all that much. If you were comparing a wolf and Transmontano at their efficiency at taking down a deer, you could argue the wolf's superior dentition is more effective. However a Transmontano is attacking a wolf and vice versa, and the wolf has bones made out of pine needles while the Transmontano has bones made out of steel. The wolf is a glass cannon and could do a good bit of damage but it has the skin of a track greyhound and it's attacking an animal with thick, loose skin. So the wolf's dentition won't matter because the Transmontano's bites would be catastrophic due to the sheer force of the bite in relation to the wolf's fragility.

I think as a marathon runner, the wolf would have a higher aerobic capacity. But that’s about it as far as advantages go.

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Dec 11, 2022 16:50:47 GMT @packhunter said:

Dec 11, 2022 7:37:59 GMT Bolushi said:

I'm not sure LGDs are good at outlasting anything, they outlast dogs their size but I think that the fight wouldn't last that long. Keep in mind that the wolf's superior dentition doesn't mean all that much. If you were comparing a wolf and Transmontano at their efficiency at taking down a deer, you could argue the wolf's superior dentition is more effective. However a Transmontano is attacking a wolf and vice versa, and the wolf has bones made out of pine needles while the Transmontano has bones made out of steel. The wolf is a glass cannon and could do a good bit of damage but it has the skin of a track greyhound and it's attacking an animal with thick, loose skin. So the wolf's dentition won't matter because the Transmontano's bites would be catastrophic due to the sheer force of the bite in relation to the wolf's fragility.

I think as a marathon runner, the wolf would have a higher aerobic capacity. But that’s about it as far as advantages go.

Well they aren't racing. I haven't observed wolves having more stamina than LGDs, I think they do but not by much. Most LGD fights last around 8-15 minutes. A wolf cannot endure getting throttled and mauled for 2 minutes.
Also we have same sized LGD vs wolf fights to go off of, haven't seen wolves perform well at all. In some videos the wolves visibly appear the same size in frame. Some videos they don't. Some LGDs are smaller than others which could be why, because some videos show a big LGD mauling a smaller wolf and others show same sized LGDs mauling wolves. The 3v3 wolf v kangal video appeared to be wolves the same size of at least the first Kangal if not all of them.
LGDs vary a lot within their own breed, but the Transmontano should usually be roughly the same size in light of this video of 2 wolves chasing a Great Pyrenees that surprisingly wasn't totally dwarfed in height: 

And a Transmontano or Kangal or Alabai or Caucasian Shepherd or etc. etc. is usually going to be bigger than that Great Pyrenees, and thus of nearly equal frame size to the wolf if not larger. And as we've seen plenty of times, LGD vs wolf of same frame size results in the wolf's demise. The wolf is always overpowered by a same ''size'' LGD.
I've never seen a video of a serious Eastern LGD losing to a single wolf. So the logical conclusion is that the wolf cannot usually win, because Eastern LGDs were imported to the USA and guess what? Zero deaths. Including Transmontanos. They're all regional variants of the same thing. The reason the MV wolf has a chance is because of its jaws, and you'd probably need a 130lb large experienced male if you want the wolf to have decent odds.