You have disappointed me, once again AE. Your bias, your unearned arrogance, your plagiarism, everything makes you so hatable, but you just aren't formidable or skilled enough in debating or in animals to hate. I just feel sad for you. Learn from this. You haven't sent me to any slaughterhouse, AE. I have sent you to the
playground (strike that, you'd probably enjoy it)
I checked the database of the Field Museum of Chicago for you, which I have to say, is the most someone has taken you seriously. The serval sample is mixed sex 2M&2F .
The lynx sample however has 2 of indeterminate sex and a male from a zoo. We know (AvA forums as a whole, doubt you do, dunce) that lack of proper exercise and hunting in wild felids in captivity severely reduces the size and growth patterns of cranial anatomy. As the postcranial skeleton is even more influential in hunting, it will be affected even more drastically.
The zoo lynx dragged down the values. Alongside the possible females from L.B.Radinsky
Why use lbs? Why not %? It would be more accurate.
Because you knew that if you said a 50% difference wouldn't cause a 0.4% difference you would be the laughing stock of the whole of AvA. Although as Bolushi revealed, you already are.
Servals have killed flamingoes and duikers, y'know? If you can use general statements I can too. And that is straight from Sunquist's book. Also from Sunquist's book, the 2 mentions of adult fallow deer killed by Iberian lynx barely weigh more than them with both being estimated to be ~20 kgs.
Undertaker was right AE, you should read more.
I don't want your opinion Heisensperg. That doesn't invalidate the method as Reddhole's more complete collection has corrected this.
Haha. This is concrete proof that you don't actually read the sources of the opposition (neither your own as I shall prove later).
Bertram and Biewner clearly stated that they only used Mature specimens and tried to represent both sexes.
So much arrogance, really. You think you can correct the data, or that you have any authority to even attempt the same? You're no one, AE. You're just another fag on Carnivora.
You're one to talk about my bias. I have defended cats more fiercely and successfully than you ever will. If you have doubt, see my response to Dale on Sloth bear v Tiger in the canid felid interaction thread. The most you fags have done in the same debate is whine about them being easily killed by adult males. I proved that they were pissing their fucking pants everytime they went up against a tiger.
Or alternatively you can check the Bobcat v Scottish terrier thread. I turned what was assumed a 10/10 mismatch in the dog's favour in a match that's in the lynx's favour.
Have you ever achieved anything significant on these forums, really?
You prove your ignorance in terms of your knowledge on cats. I would advise you to Google 'Smilodon scapula' and then 'Lion scapula'. You'll find they look almost identical in proportional dimensions. I'll even post some images for you, incase you're too lazy to look it up yourself. Top is Smilodon skeletons prominently showing scapula while bottom is lion scapula.
Most posters (including arrogant terminally online soyjaks like you) would not be able to differentiate them.
86.9/89.3 = 0.97 or 97%
3% difference, remember that. Very slight and negligible difference.
It increases with size faggot we've been through this.
Your disbelief is not evidence to the contrary, since you are as mentioned prior, a nobody.
Someone's a little angryyyy.... Were you crying when you typed this?
I proved the contrary, which you have unsuccessfully debunked and proved to the thousandth time your poor reading comprehension. We'll get back to that a bit later.
Also, remember the difference I told you to remember?
9.9/10.9 = 0.90 or 90%
10% difference. Thrice as great as the advantage the polar had in scapulas. And NOT a negligible difference
You do know what the radius is, right? It is nowhere near as relevant to grappling or robusticity as either scapula or humerus. But whatever, I'll let you have this, give you something to hope for. I'll leave images of all 3 bones for you to see, and let's see if there is any amount of deductive reasoning capability in you.
^Radius
^Scapula
^Humerus
Again the latter part of this quote is your opinion, which you have failed to substantiate as I will show in the later half of this post.
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What evidence? This?
What do you mean low sample size? There is no sample size.
Besides it has been addressed in my post, read more carefully, dumbass.
Retard this is unrelated to the moose study (which would be Alaskan moose, A.a.gigas which weigh ~500-600 kg for males and ~300-400 kg for females IIRC and thus 2-3 times larger than the grizzlies) I was stating this in relation to the density of the brown bear in the bone density study which was from Alaska.
From that chart of yours it should be ~5 years old and as I stated osteologically and physically immature. Bears complete maturation at ~8 years IIRC.
I checked the polar bear profile as well as the reddit post OGV sent me in the thread prior of them killing belugas in open water.
You think this is 5 times the polar bear's weight?
This is exactly the 140-200 kg belugas they have been documented killing. Rest of the tangent is irrelevant as this itself is not factual.
Regardless, are you honestly going to try and say that a semi aquatic bear has killed a cetacean 5 times it's weight in water?
Evidently you don't even properly read your studies, let alone understand them.
If you had known it, why not mention it prior?
Do you understand that statement? If you did, you'd know that the adaptations occurring within those skeletal localities with relevance to grappling are more prominently observed in bears than in felids. This is evidenced in both of the studies you cited to "debunk" the empirically proven fact that bears are better grapplers.
They have greater muscle mass as compared to other viscera in proportionate terms. However even when they have the same external dimensions, bears are much heavier and have greater mass and thus absolute muscle mass, which is more relevant than proportional muscle mass.
I don't even understand how you came to that conclusion. That is so abhorrently stupid. You very clearly didn't understand one single word of what I stated.
I stated we could directly infer robusticity (the ability to absorb force) as well and indirectly infer muscularity (the ability to exert force) due to the above quotation of Hiroshi Kaiji.
After making this factually correct statement I made another factual statement that the former (robusticity) is more clearly observed in mouth grapplers through HR than muscularity, while vice versa (or more accurately both those qualities) can be observed more in limb grapplers through HR.
That was not with relevance to grappling dumbass, that was with relevance to robusticity.
You should quite frankly leave AvA if you don't understand shit as basic as that, which for some reason (despite being a fact) I had to prove to you.
Control - F 'ed both those quotations. No results, lying fag.
The same study states this:
And this image:
Which proves that bears have wider more robust scapulas and greater attachment point for triceps brachii.
We'll see, we'll see.
Aside from these measures being of the aforementioned relatively insignificant radius, you forgot to quote this from the study and equations you blatantly copied from Vodmeister as evidenced by the word to word exact paraphrase.
This quote in particular destroys your entire arguement, as the bear-like adaptations which you stated would only be useful for their omnivorous lifestyle devoid of prey grappling are also seen in Smilodon, with the only significant anatomical difference in these taxa being their cranial dentition. You have helped me more than you can possibly imagine.
Be a real man, AE and hand over the concession. You have been thrashed by your own source.
You may be correct in assuming you find shit better than most old posters. However unfortunately for you you have taken the quality of Mondas in that the sources you find, are the ones that destroy you worse than even those of the opposition.
You've lost AE. Nothing more needs to be said. Lower your neck, mumble your apologies to everyone and accept it like a man. Let this be a learning experience for you.
