Eurasian Lynx Vs Fallow Deer

[s]

Average weights:

Male Eurasian Lynx: 21kg
Female Eurasian Lynx: 18kg
(male) Fallow Deer 58kg

[Bolushi]

A 55kg fallow deer would fall to an E. lynx for sure.

[s]

What does Werm think?

[wermthewerm]

Tough call, not gonna lie. White-tailed deer are prey of the Eurasian Lynx here in Finland, and whitetails are rather comparable to mule deer. Mule deer are on record killing female cougars and I don't think a fallow deer is that much inferior to a mule deer, so going off of that I'd say the fallow deer has a very good chance at killing the lynx. Not really sure how they do against predators, but I do know of a video of a fallow deer knocking down a wolf semi-easily with his antlers while trying to escape the pack, shown below

<-- here's the link tho

<-- There's also this picture of a fallow deer hitting a boar with his antlers. The boar does not look to be enjoying it. I think the fallow deer's antlers could do some pretty good damage.

Also, I think this is relevant to the thread, despite it being rather obvious but lynxes (at least in iberia) do not really predate on Dama dama that much. Predation during the rut is way lower

<-- Biomass consumption of Cervus elaphus and Dama dama only really goes up to 5.5% around the end of rutting season, being at basically 0% around the rutting season. Cervids are at their weakest following rut as they experience a decline.

<-- Same whitetail buck, during and after rut. Quite the decline in physique.

Hafstanni could you make a size comparison?

With that in mind, I think a 55-60kg fallow deer might win more often than not in a fight. I think the 2.6-2.8x size advantage is enough to be victorious in this matchup.

[Bolushi]

55kgs seems small for a stag?
I want the stag to win but I wonder how a winter-weakened reindeer compares to this stag?

[s]

Nov 26, 2023 18:27:30 GMT wermthewerm said:

Tough call, not gonna lie. White-tailed deer are prey of the Eurasian Lynx here in Finland, and whitetails are rather comparable to mule deer. Mule deer are on record killing female cougars and I don't think a fallow deer is that much inferior to a mule deer, so going off of that I'd say the fallow deer has a very good chance at killing the lynx. Not really sure how they do against predators, but I do know of a video of a fallow deer knocking down a wolf semi-easily with his antlers while trying to escape the pack, shown below

<-- here's the link tho

<-- There's also this picture of a fallow deer hitting a boar with his antlers. The boar does not look to be enjoying it. I think the fallow deer's antlers could do some pretty good damage.

Also, I think this is relevant to the thread, despite it being rather obvious but lynxes (at least in iberia) do not really predate on Dama dama that much. Predation during the rut is way lower

<-- Biomass consumption of Cervus elaphus and Dama dama only really goes up to 5.5% around the end of rutting season, being at basically 0% around the rutting season. Cervids are at their weakest following rut as they experience a decline.

There are no Eurasian Lynx in Spain. Iberian Lynx average 13kg (slighty less in reality but let's just round it up) While Eurasian Lynx is 21kg. Not really a good comparison to be fair since Eurasian Lynx is much larger.

[bongoeurycerus]

Nov 26, 2023 18:28:48 GMT Bolushi said:

55kgs seems small for a stag?
I want the stag to win but I wonder how a winter-weakened reindeer compares to this stag?

Reindeer/caribou are already rather unimpressive and when weakened and in winter even less. Not at all comparable to a healthy fallow buck. Anyways, in this fight I marginally favour the buck. Fallow deer are fairly decent cervids and their antlers appear strong and durable, they are also wells built and the bucks have very thick necks during the rut which will prove difficult for the lynx to suffocate.

[s]

After researching a bit further i fixed a minor error. Male Fallow Deer average 58kg, not 55.

[s]

Should i add a third option for female Lynx? Would mean the voting would have to restart from 0 but would make it more nuanced.

[wermthewerm]

Nov 26, 2023 18:42:20 GMT s said:

Should i add a third option for female Lynx? Would mean the voting would have to restart from 0 but would make it more nuanced.

If you feel like it

[s]

Done. Voting is now restarted

[s]

Nov 26, 2023 16:24:22 GMT Bolushi said:

A 55kg fallow deer would fall to an E. lynx for sure.

What do you think about male Fallow (58kg) Vs female Lynx (18kg)?

[duriaantiquior]

Nov 26, 2023 18:27:30 GMT wermthewerm said:

Tough call, not gonna lie. White-tailed deer are prey of the Eurasian Lynx here in Finland, and whitetails are rather comparable to mule deer. Mule deer are on record killing female cougars and I don't think a fallow deer is that much inferior to a mule deer, so going off of that I'd say the fallow deer has a very good chance at killing the lynx. Not really sure how they do against predators, but I do know of a video of a fallow deer knocking down a wolf semi-easily with his antlers while trying to escape the pack, shown below

<-- here's the link tho

<-- There's also this picture of a fallow deer hitting a boar with his antlers. The boar does not look to be enjoying it. I think the fallow deer's antlers could do some pretty good damage.

Also, I think this is relevant to the thread, despite it being rather obvious but lynxes (at least in iberia) do not really predate on Dama dama that much. Predation during the rut is way lower

<-- Biomass consumption of Cervus elaphus and Dama dama only really goes up to 5.5% around the end of rutting season, being at basically 0% around the rutting season. Cervids are at their weakest following rut as they experience a decline.

<-- Same whitetail buck, during and after rut. Quite the decline in physique.

Hafstanni could you make a size comparison?

With that in mind, I think a 55-60kg fallow deer might win more often than not in a fight. I think the 2.6-2.8x size advantage is enough to be victorious in this matchup.

It wasn't quite clear in your post, you do know that was the iberian lynx right?(different and far inferior species)

[wermthewerm]

Nov 27, 2023 21:09:26 GMT duriaantiquior said:

Nov 26, 2023 18:27:30 GMT wermthewerm said:

Tough call, not gonna lie. White-tailed deer are prey of the Eurasian Lynx here in Finland, and whitetails are rather comparable to mule deer. Mule deer are on record killing female cougars and I don't think a fallow deer is that much inferior to a mule deer, so going off of that I'd say the fallow deer has a very good chance at killing the lynx. Not really sure how they do against predators, but I do know of a video of a fallow deer knocking down a wolf semi-easily with his antlers while trying to escape the pack, shown below

<-- here's the link tho

<-- There's also this picture of a fallow deer hitting a boar with his antlers. The boar does not look to be enjoying it. I think the fallow deer's antlers could do some pretty good damage.

Also, I think this is relevant to the thread, despite it being rather obvious but lynxes (at least in iberia) do not really predate on Dama dama that much. Predation during the rut is way lower

<-- Biomass consumption of Cervus elaphus and Dama dama only really goes up to 5.5% around the end of rutting season, being at basically 0% around the rutting season. Cervids are at their weakest following rut as they experience a decline.

<-- Same whitetail buck, during and after rut. Quite the decline in physique.

Hafstanni could you make a size comparison?

With that in mind, I think a 55-60kg fallow deer might win more often than not in a fight. I think the 2.6-2.8x size advantage is enough to be victorious in this matchup.

It wasn't quite clear in your post, you do know that was the iberian lynx right?(different and far inferior species)

I do, but it's still relevant to the discussion.