How effective have Dogs been against Cocrodilians?

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Asking because i may post a 6 Bull Arabs Vs Saltwater Crocodrile matchup 

[Bolushi]

That's not a good matchup for dogs.
Small crocodilians perform relatively poorly against small gripping dogs but once you get above 50lbs it starts getting bad. A saltie can effortlessly kill one Bull Arab, then the other, and the others... it cannot be lugged due to how weird of an animal it is.
It's like a coalition of cheetahs trying to take out a Galapagos tortoise, just doesn't work out.

[s]

Sept 23, 2023 18:07:53 GMT Bolushi said:

That's not a good matchup for dogs.
Small crocodilians perform relatively poorly against small gripping dogs but once you get above 50lbs it starts getting bad. A saltie can effortlessly kill one Bull Arab, then the other, and the others... it cannot be lugged due to how weird of an animal it is.
It's like a coalition of cheetahs trying to take out a Galapagos tortoise, just doesn't work out.

I see, is Crocodrile skin less vulnerable to bites than Mammal skin?

[Bolushi]

Sept 23, 2023 20:41:04 GMT s said:

Sept 23, 2023 18:07:53 GMT Bolushi said:

That's not a good matchup for dogs.
Small crocodilians perform relatively poorly against small gripping dogs but once you get above 50lbs it starts getting bad. A saltie can effortlessly kill one Bull Arab, then the other, and the others... it cannot be lugged due to how weird of an animal it is.
It's like a coalition of cheetahs trying to take out a Galapagos tortoise, just doesn't work out.

I see, is Crocodrile skin less vulnerable to bites than Mammal skin?

Yep

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Cocrodilians have never lost to dogs, ever, or any other animals for that matter.
Crocodilians are a bit different.

[Hardcastle]

Oct 11, 2023 16:14:34 GMT @thehunter said:

Cocrodilians have never lost to dogs, ever, or any other animals for that matter.
Crocodilians are a bit different.

While I have no interest in trying to assert dogs over crocodilians in any way, this statement is still false. Crocodilians have been killed by dogs on a few occasions.
Overwhelmingly however, crocodilians prey on dogs and are generally a terrible matchup for dogs. They go in to my personal "too hard" basket where I have no real interest in even trying to defend dogs against them. But, still, your statement of "never" is factually incorrect.

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Re-read the post maybe if you haven't noticed it.
Pay close attention to the spelling.

[s]

Oct 11, 2023 17:06:15 GMT Hardcastle said:

Oct 11, 2023 16:14:34 GMT @thehunter said:

Cocrodilians have never lost to dogs, ever, or any other animals for that matter.
Crocodilians are a bit different.

While I have no interest in trying to assert dogs over crocodilians in any way, this statement is still false. Crocodilians have been killed by dogs on a few occasions.
Overwhelmingly however, crocodilians prey on dogs and are generally a terrible matchup for dogs. They go in to my personal "too hard" basket where I have no real interest in even trying to defend dogs against them. But, still, your statement of "never" is factually incorrect.

Dale how bad of a matchup do you think Dogs Vs Komodo Dragon is?

[Hardcastle]

What dog? Which of the ~20 fundamentally different basic kinds I have outlined? Different breakdown for each.

[s]

Oct 17, 2023 9:59:50 GMT Hardcastle said:

What dog? Which of the ~20 fundamentally different basic kinds I have outlined? Different breakdown for each.

Specifically Bulldogs, Bull Terriers and Dogs of Prey (which you call Boarhounds)

[Hardcastle]

Oct 17, 2023 11:31:24 GMT s said:

Oct 17, 2023 9:59:50 GMT Hardcastle said:

What dog? Which of the ~20 fundamentally different basic kinds I have outlined? Different breakdown for each.

Specifically Bulldogs, Bull Terriers and Dogs of Prey (which you call Boarhounds)

Not a great matchup for the dogs. Bull terriers can beat large monitor lizards like the asian water monitor at parity, but I think the terrier influence is being tapped into for that fight quite a bit.
With the komodo reaching 90 kgs, working bull terriers maxing out around 35 kgs, you'd have to look towards bigger dogs and then you are I think losing quickness and proportional killing ability. Big bulldogs are too happy to get bitten, they don't think there's any need to avoid it, aren't compelled or inclined to try and avoid being bitten, and then also are bad at it. They will be sliced badly, lose a lot of blood and also get envenomated.
Boarhounds are better, and would be the best option to try, but still are giving up too much size to cause much damage to the dragon IMO. I could see something like a big bull arab or bully grey doing a good job of harassing and beating up the sluggish lizard as it airswings tail swipes and can't land a bite, but it is difficult to see them finishing it off, and if they do slip up they could be badly hurt very fast.
Probably favour the komodo at the end of the day over all dogs. Ideally you'd want something that uses hit and run cur tactics, and has the quickness, agility and stamina for that, but also is big enough with enough damage output to get results. Funnily enough a timberwolf might be the best candidate from canidae.

[s]

Oct 17, 2023 12:22:01 GMT Hardcastle said:

Oct 17, 2023 11:31:24 GMT s said:

Specifically Bulldogs, Bull Terriers and Dogs of Prey (which you call Boarhounds)

Not a great matchup for the dogs. Bull terriers can beat large monitor lizards like the asian water monitor at parity, but I think the terrier influence is being tapped into for that fight quite a bit.
With the komodo reaching 90 kgs, working bull terriers maxing out around 35 kgs, you'd have to look towards bigger dogs and then you are I think losing quickness and proportional killing ability. Big bulldogs are too happy to get bitten, they don't think there's any need to avoid it, aren't compelled or inclined to try and avoid being bitten, and then also are bad at it. They will be sliced badly, lose a lot of blood and also get envenomated.
Boarhounds are better, and would be the best option to try, but still are giving up too much size to cause much damage to the dragon IMO. I could see something like a big bull arab or bully grey doing a good job of harassing and beating up the sluggish lizard as it airswings tail swipes and can't land a bite, but it is difficult to see them finishing it off, and if they do slip up they could be badly hurt very fast.
Probably favour the komodo at the end of the day over all dogs. Ideally you'd want something that uses hit and run cur tactics, and has the quickness, agility and stamina for that, but also is big enough with enough damage output to get results. Funnily enough a timberwolf might be the best candidate from canidae.

Is Komodo Dragon Venom powerful enough to "one-shot" Dogs that aren't careful when approaching them? I have seen videos of them paralyzing adult Hog with a single bite.

[s]

Sept 23, 2023 18:07:53 GMT Bolushi said:

That's not a good matchup for dogs.
Small crocodilians perform relatively poorly against small gripping dogs but once you get above 50lbs it starts getting bad. A saltie can effortlessly kill one Bull Arab, then the other, and the others... it cannot be lugged due to how weird of an animal it is.
It's like a coalition of cheetahs trying to take out a Galapagos tortoise, just doesn't work out.

Yeah this is when dentition comes into place, for mammals both long and short teeth carry advantages depending on what you are using them for, long teeth do more damage but short teeth get a more prolonged grip. Homever when fighting against large Crocodilians it's almost mandatory to have long, dagger-like, Jaguar-esque teeth if you want to do significant damage in a realistic time frame.

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Oct 17, 2023 13:04:58 GMT s said:

Sept 23, 2023 18:07:53 GMT Bolushi said:

That's not a good matchup for dogs.
Small crocodilians perform relatively poorly against small gripping dogs but once you get above 50lbs it starts getting bad. A saltie can effortlessly kill one Bull Arab, then the other, and the others... it cannot be lugged due to how weird of an animal it is.
It's like a coalition of cheetahs trying to take out a Galapagos tortoise, just doesn't work out.

Yeah this is when dentition comes into place, for mammals both long and short teeth carry advantages depending on what you are using them for, long teeth do more damage but short teeth get a more prolonged grip. Homever when fighting against large Crocodilians it's almost mandatory to have long, dagger-like, Jaguar-esque teeth if you want to do significant damage in a realistic time frame.

No, jaguars have short blunt teeth.
They need to crack the osteoderms, its impossible to pierce them.

[s]

Oct 17, 2023 13:20:20 GMT @thehunter said:

Oct 17, 2023 13:04:58 GMT s said:

Yeah this is when dentition comes into place, for mammals both long and short teeth carry advantages depending on what you are using them for, long teeth do more damage but short teeth get a more prolonged grip. Homever when fighting against large Crocodilians it's almost mandatory to have long, dagger-like, Jaguar-esque teeth if you want to do significant damage in a realistic time frame.

No, jaguars have short blunt teeth.
They need to crack the osteoderms, its impossible to pierce them.

Understood, thanks for correcting