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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 31, 2023 19:20:49 GMT
Now, to answer the question of who is actually the stronger animal, I would say the tiger. Yes, I believe that ultimately, Tiger > Wild Boar.
Even though many people like to talk about how cats take prey by ambush, the tiger and wild boar case is quite different from the regular cat predation scenario. It is different in the sense that the tiger ALWAYS has to FIGHT the boar. There's no quick kill on a wild boar for a tiger.
Because of the fact that the wild boar, by nature, is an animal that MUST be fought to be killed, and that the tiger indeed has proved itself to be a capable killer of boars of ANY gender, age class, age, and health status (yes, even the best of the best male boars are killed by Siberian tigers), I do think it is safe to say that the tiger is by a little margin, the master of the wild boar. I mean that ultimately, Panthera tigris > Sus scrofa.
Especially if we take them at "Best vs Best", this becomes evident and kind of more pronounced. I still believe that no matter how strong boars are for their mass, that they are still weaker than tigers pound for pound.
Taking the largest of both species, the tiger would have about a 34 kg weight advantage, which, considering the size of both animals, isn't a lot.
The biggest boar on record was a male captured in Turkey which weighed ~350 kg (slightly more), the biggest tiger weighed 384 kg, and was shot in the Sikhote Alin region of Russia.
Already being pound for pound slightly stronger, with a 34 kg weight advantage, I think it can be reasonably concluded that ultimately, the tiger as a species is SLIGHTLY stronger than the wild boar as a species.
You may disagree, and drop your thoughts. If you think it's a 50-50, also say. But one thing is indisputable: It is a VERY close fight.
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 31, 2023 19:23:11 GMT
The best of the best boars absolutely would put up a great fight against a tiger and this is typically good enough for them to escape. A prime male Ussuri boar could actually kill a tiger for sure. However, old boars that are massive will have blunt tusks, slow movement, so basically there is a weight range where a boar is too bad to fight a tiger because in order to achieve such weights it needs to be old and sluggish meaning it will be locked up and slowly but surely get killed, this is around 500lbs+ I believe for Ussuri boars but could be higher or lower. There is a weight range where they're too small, which is up to 200lbs. Then there is "just right" which is in my opinion prime male boars weighing 300-400lbs.
It is a known fact small-ish but not too small, and fast young-ish boars with a lot of vigor and testosterone are often better at beating the shit out of dogs and killing them than 300lb, even 400lb, hogs sometimes. I'd think an Ussuri boar can maintain such vigor and testosterone at larger sizes and move better, which would make the dynamic similar between Ussuri boar/tiger and regular boar/pig dog.
There is also a lot of individual variation in temperament between both boars and I suspect tigers as well. So it's not only an age/weight thing but also an individual thing.
Mind you just about any adult boar can fuck a tiger, just talking about the bigger picture.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 31, 2023 19:34:23 GMT
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 31, 2023 19:46:11 GMT
Biggest wild Siberian tiger was shot in the Sikhote Alin Mountains in 1950 and weighed 384 kilograms:  If we talk about the ABSOLUTE best of the best male wild boars, then we'll also have to talk about the ABSOLUTE best of the best male tigers. And there, I think the tiger takes it AT LEAST 51% of the time. And that's face-to-face, I mean. |
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Post by bombsonyourmom on Aug 31, 2023 21:31:37 GMT
I like boars a lot more than I like tigers but it's hard to deny that a tiger would usually win in a fight to the death even at equal sizes.
A big boar can win but I would give it like 30 percent odds of winning in a head to head fight.
Tigers might not challenge boars to fair fights but they do kill many of them over the course of their life, so they need to be able to fight when hunts go wrong.
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 6, 2023 13:17:42 GMT
Tigers could almost be considered "boarcats", but also could be considered "bullcats", even "bearcats" perhaps.
Very similar to "bulldogs" who also could be considered all of the above but for dogs. The tiger and lion are the cat foundation modelled for big game. It turns out, when cats are sculpted for big game, they get really big in response. For dogs this wasn't necessarily the case, mind you the initial adaptation from a pariah dog base was to get biggish and blow up into pretty big archaic bulldogs, but the "biggening" was capped off around 90 lbs (initially) and then the dogs developed techniques to deal with big bovines, boars and bears. Dogs admittedly had the luxury of humans in their social unit, and were able to specialise for the subjugation of these big dangerous animals without having to necessarily kill them, and ofcourse tigers and lions did not have this luxury, they had to subdue AND kill the big dangerous animals, and that combined with their killing and subjugating technique spurred them towards growing larger and larger. This is also true for many extinct pantherines and machairodonts, some of which possibly specialised for EVEN larger animals like mastodons, and grew EVEN LARGER than lions and tigers as a result.
I have no qualms about saying the tiger is a boar-killer-extraordinaire, and is not out of its element in combat with one. It is however still in danger fighting a boar, and the boar, especially the boars in the tiger's range, also need to be understood as "tiger fighters" or tiger-fighter-extraordinaires.
So it is a classic great matchup that can go either way, the most likely outcome is the boar fights off the tiger, provided it is a prime healthy mature male who is worthy to breed and contribute to the boar gene pool. That is because the tiger can still survive and breed while losing to boars most of the time, the boar can't survive and breed losing to tigers most of the time.
HOWEVER if we add a to the death stipulation the odds start swinging back to centre and maybe even tilt ever so slightly over in the tiger's favour, as it is not part of the requirements of the boar to fully kill tigers that attack it, and killing some boars at least is kind of very important for tigers. Critically important.
Best vs best the boar should be favoured pretty comfortably in just "a fight", but best vs best and to the death? I might give a slight edge to the tiger. Predator/prey scenario where the tiger can pick its victims (including mediocre specimens) and prey on them at optimally opportune times for the tiger? Still the boar wins the contest most of the time, but with very low risk of death to the tiger. Add to death and the risk of death increases for the tiger somewhat but increases a lot for the boar, so you could favour the tiger there by a lot. Overall with "to the death" favour the tiger, but generally count on the boar.
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Post by s on Sept 28, 2023 10:08:36 GMT
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Post by s on Oct 4, 2023 13:13:24 GMT
www.club-caza.com/articleamp/art/19806This is from a Spanish hunter newspaper, complains that Iberian Wolves (medium-sized sub-species, 30 to 50kg) have decimated the Boar population. I'll translate the most important parts. "Leonese hunters denounce that the proliferation of wolves is destroying the wild boar and roe deer populations in their hunting reserves. As confirmed to us, the presence of the predator has caused a 70% decrease in game killed this season." Don't get me wrong, i don't favour even a Northwestern Wolf against a Wild Boar 1v1, Boars are formidable for their size and quite underrated in AvA forums. But if 2 Iberian Wolves are usually enough to kill the average male Boar. And 3 to kill a large male. I think an average Tiger should definitely be favoured over an average Boar due to sheer advantage in both weaponry and weight, you need a huge Boar over 150kg for a good fight against a Bengal/Siberian/Indochinese Tiger
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 10:49:05 GMT
www.club-caza.com/articleamp/art/19806This is from a Spanish hunter newspaper, complains that Iberian Wolves (medium-sized sub-species, 30 to 50kg) have decimated the Boar population. I'll translate the most important parts. "Leonese hunters denounce that the proliferation of wolves is destroying the wild boar and roe deer populations in their hunting reserves. As confirmed to us, the presence of the predator has caused a 70% decrease in game killed this season." Don't get me wrong, i don't favour even a Northwestern Wolf against a Wild Boar 1v1, Boars are formidable for their size and quite underrated in AvA forums. But if 2 Iberian Wolves are usually enough to kill the average male Boar. And 3 to kill a large male. I think an average Tiger should definitely be favoured over an average Boar due to sheer advantage in both weaponry and weight, you need a huge Boar over 150kg for a good fight against a Bengal/Siberian/Indochinese Tiger Decreasing the amount of game is what they said the wolves had done. Killing a lot of piglets, females and weakened individuals would certainly decrease the amount of game for the upcoming season. |
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