Real working dogs from the World

[Hardcastle]

Sept 3, 2023 6:46:43 GMT bombsonyourmom said:

I like bull terriers a lot. People often use them as examples of the horrors of overbreeding, and to be fair a lot of them are fucked up, but I find it funny how they are one of the only really weird looking dog breeds that can retain most of their pedigree look and become a functional working dog.

The unusual skull of the ebt cops way too much criticism, the skull is fine, even great.
The stubby fat barrel bodies with short legs many have are not great, fix that and they are awesome.

There's a lot to like. I think the shape of the head and the squinty eyes allow them to bash through thick vegetation recklessly without getting injured. A bonus my female bull arab gets to enjoy to an extent as well. She often crashes through thick scrub and gets little superficial cuts around her squinty eyes, but dogs without her eye/head design just don't do it, like they instinctively know. I wonder if this is why the EBT type was favoured by the british explorers who went to exotic locations in the colonial era. Also the alaunt gentil, the boarhound of the middle ages, is described as having squinty eyes as well (and prick ears, and white, interestingly). The bulge-eyed staff type seems to have emerged for blood sports and the pit, and who knows maybe even enjoys superior close-quarter vision that can help in fights (sbts, pitbulls and english bulldogs are all famous for watching TV- something many dogs don't, even can't, do), but in the woods I think the squinty eye and wedge head is superior.

[bombsonyourmom]

I am not qualified to say whether the squinty eyes have any function. I am not super familiar with dogs. But one thing to note is that the reason dogs didn't watch tv is because older tvs moved too slowly. Dogs have worse eyesight than humans but they perceive time more slowly than us. They have 80 hz vision while we have 60, so older tvs looked like slowly moving pictures to them.

Reported CFF values across species span about two orders of magnitude. As a reference point, humans are generally reckoned to have a CFF of around 60 Hz. About two-thirds of animals that have been studied have CFF thresholds lower than humans.46 For instance, the leatherback sea turtle (Dermochelys coriacea) has a CFF of ~15 Hz (Healey et al. 2013), the Sergestid shrimp (Sergia filictum) has a CFF of ~24 Hz (Frank 2000), the common cuttlefish (Sepia officinalis) has a CFF of ~42 Hz (Nelson 2003), and the American crayfish (Cambarus spp) has a CFF of ~53 Hz (Inger et al. 2014). About one-third of studied animals have CFF values higher than humans. For instance, the common octopus (Octopus vulgaris) has a CFF of ~72 Hz (Hamasaki 1968), the domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris) has a CFF of ~80 Hz (Healey et al. 2013), and the pied flycatcher (a type of small bird, Ficedula hypoleuca) has a CFF of ~146 Hz (Boström et al 2016). (See Figure 5.)

rethinkpriorities.org/publications/does-critical-flicker-fusion-frequency-track-the-subjective-experience-of-time

But to get back on topic, what are some other really weird looking breeds that are actually good workers?

[Hardcastle]

That's interesting. I know just from experience and observation that dogs can see subtle things in body language we can't, and this could be actual "data" to support that observation.
This also explains why some dogs you can literally pitch a piece of kibble at their face like a fast ball and they catch it. Not all dogs though, this is another one of those things which I bet varies from dog type to dog type. I'd suggest my bandog had a low CFF value, for example.

I seem to recall hearing something about dragonflies percieving the world in super slow motion, I wonder what their CFF would be? Maybe even higher than the pied flycatcher. Both, interestingly, catch flies on the wing.

[bombsonyourmom]

The variety of shapes working ebts come in are really cool.

This type of tall, running build seems fairly rare but it looks cool.


Here is the opposite, an apparent borboreal cross.





I think all three pictures arethe same dog

He has a very distinct face. Usually dogs have pretty homogenous faces.


Pharaoh hound cross:



A typical,ebt build.

[bombsonyourmom]

Sept 3, 2023 8:14:00 GMT Hardcastle said:

That's interesting. I know just from experience and observation that dogs can see subtle things in body language we can't, and this could be actual "data" to support that observation.
This also explains why some dogs you can literally pitch a piece of kibble at their face like a fast ball and they catch it. Not all dogs though, this is another one of those things which I bet varies from dog type to dog type. I'd suggest my bandog had a low CFF value, for example.

I seem to recall hearing something about dragonflies percieving the world in super slow motion, I wonder what their CFF would be? Maybe even higher than the pied flycatcher. Both, interestingly, catch flies on the wing.

Regular flies can see 250 frames per second. Dragonflies are probably more impressive since they are built to murk things like flies. There are some articles that claim they have 300 hz vision but I am not sure they are reliable.


www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41284065

Small animals that live in a fast paced 3d environment like the water or air have the highest hz vision. The first part is important because the smaller the body is the faster the body can process information. 

[Hardcastle]

Sept 3, 2023 15:30:00 GMT bombsonyourmom said:

Here is the opposite, an apparent borboreal cross.

What a photo.
Heavier than the type of dog I usually prefer, but still undeniably a very cool dog.
Actually very much what I USED to like best when I was in my low 20s/late teens. I used to day dream about EBT x Neo, somehow I thought that was the ticket, this dog would have got me very excited, and still kind of does.

[Hardcastle]

More ebt head, this time a bully grey-





The description is what gets me-

2 year old full male
Been on 300+ pigs, hold anything one out
Extremely fast, extremely driven
Great around house and kids
$1800

[Hardcastle]

Statues depicting the fighting bulldog culture of 19th century Spain/France, where bulldogs fought wolves, striped hyenas, donkeys and bears.




One such dog-


Undefeated champion-



Earlier in England they'd mix it up a bit more-

[Bolushi]

Sept 5, 2023 23:20:15 GMT Hardcastle said:

Statues depicting the fighting bulldog culture of 19th century Spain/France, where bulldogs fought wolves, striped hyenas, donkeys and bears.




One such dog-


Undefeated champion-



Earlier in England they'd mix it up a bit more-

What do you think of "heinous criminal human vs dog" organized contests, ethically?

[Hardcastle]

They're unethical if the dog loses. Lol. In that case the dog won, despite being muzzled with a leather strap to try and benefit the man, the dog was still able to nibble on his stomach and tear open his belly.

The Sporting Magazine, vol. XVIII, documented a fight between parties labeled simply the Gentleman and the Bull Dog. The Sporting Times also reported on this fight, which occurred in 1807. The story illustrates the outcome of a large, mastiff-like dog charging its opponent. Despite the handicap of a muzzle, the dog was the winner.

A fight between a man and Bull Dog took place some time ago to settle a bet. With its first charge the Bull Dog already succeeded in throwing and pinning its opponent. Although the dog's jaws were nearly closed by a muzzle, it succeeded in sinking its teeth into the man's body. Had the dog not been pulled away immediately, it would have disembowelled the man

So that is cool.

There has been other cases where the dog got hurt or killed. One time a prize fighter/bare knuckle boxer was pitted against a pet great dane that was hyped up as "a man eating siberian bloodhound", he promptly kicked it to death and it didn't even try to fight. That is fucked up.

Another time a mutant dwarf with retard strength was pitted against a bulldog, but the dog was tethered so it couldn't really grab him and work him over, just bite at his fists while he punched it. The guy suffered pretty bad injuries to his hands and forearms but eventually the dog lost. That is also fucked up, a really unfair fight taking away the dog's strengths.

There was another fight in 1893 in london where a guy managed to hold a bulldog off for 20 minutes with punches and kicks before it got a good hold of his face and took him down, it was quickly broken off before it killed him.

I think it's pretty unethical, but hunting humans with dogs could be cool.

[Bolushi]

Sept 5, 2023 23:44:17 GMT Hardcastle said:

They're unethical if the dog loses. Lol. In that case the dog won, despite being muzzled with a leather strap to try and benefit the man, the dog was still able to nibble on his stomach and tear open his belly.

The Sporting Magazine, vol. XVIII, documented a fight between parties labeled simply the Gentleman and the Bull Dog. The Sporting Times also reported on this fight, which occurred in 1807. The story illustrates the outcome of a large, mastiff-like dog charging its opponent. Despite the handicap of a muzzle, the dog was the winner.

A fight between a man and Bull Dog took place some time ago to settle a bet. With its first charge the Bull Dog already succeeded in throwing and pinning its opponent. Although the dog's jaws were nearly closed by a muzzle, it succeeded in sinking its teeth into the man's body. Had the dog not been pulled away immediately, it would have disembowelled the man

So that is cool.

There has been other cases where the dog got hurt or killed. One time a prize fighter/bare knuckle boxer was pitted against a pet great dane that was hyped up as "a man eating siberian bloodhound", he promptly kicked it to death and it didn't even try to fight. That is fucked up.

Another time a mutant dwarf with retard strength was pitted against a bulldog, but the dog was tethered so it couldn't really grab him and work him over, just bite at his fists while he punched it. The guy suffered pretty bad injuries to his hands and forearms but eventually the dog lost. That is also fucked up, a really unfair fight taking away the dog's strengths.

There was another fight in 1893 in london where a guy managed to hold a bulldog off for 20 minutes with punches and kicks before it got a good hold of his face and took him down, it was quickly broken off before it killed him.

I think it's pretty unethical, but hunting humans with dogs could be cool.

So like if there was an execution method for rapists and serial killers you would support sending in 2+ big savage attack dogs on them? So there's no way the dog loses?
Or even like a game where you put them in a forest and send in dogs blooded to kill humans and they'd have to try and hide, but it wouldn't work and eventually they'd be caught and killed. Maybe even have a handler with a knife to dispatch the man.

[Hardcastle]

Rapists, serial killers, dorks... yeah.

[Bolushi]

A short EBT and EBT cross compilation I made after joining a working EBT group. Figured I'd just put all the stuff together in a compilation since copy pasting each image link individually is a massive pain especially when dealing with 20-30 images.
rumble.com/v3ft19g-working-ebts-and-ebt-crosses-compilation.html

[grippingwhiteness]

For a few -

[Bolushi]

Some Argentina stuff and an Alano pic

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