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Post by bombsonyourmom on Aug 28, 2023 20:39:05 GMT
I am inclined to think that the most dangerous dog breeds were the war dogs the conquistadors brought to savage the native American's. A lot of accounts are clearly hyperbolic but it seems impossible to deny that they were highly effective at terrorizing people armed with obsidian weapons.
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 28, 2023 20:46:07 GMT
I am inclined to think that the most dangerous dog breeds were the war dogs the conquistadors brought to savage the native American's. A lot of accounts are clearly hyperbolic but it seems impossible to deny that they were highly effective at terrorizing people armed with obsidian weapons. They were very dangerous, but it's also kind of a "it's how they were raised" situation. They took big boarhounds like the ones below and blooded them to attack humans. They should be friendly-ish (still not very and very protective but also not an offensive weapon against humans anywhere anytime) but if you blood them to enjoy the taste of human flesh and find humans as prey, kind of like how some APBTs are blooded to see other dogs as prey, yes you will have one of the most dangerous dogs on earth. |
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Post by bombsonyourmom on Aug 28, 2023 20:55:27 GMT
I meant dangerous in the sense that they can f' you up the easiest. I think of the biggest limiting factors to dog fighting prowess is safety. The most important quality is you don't want your dog to murder you. The second biggest factor was the cost of meat. Back in the old days, 1 kilogram of salted pork costed more than a sailors daily wage. Before modern times most dogs would have mostly eaten dog loaves. Rich nobles probably provided their dogs better diets but they were a tiny fraction of the population. imgur.com/pX8Ku2Z |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 9:36:30 GMT
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 29, 2023 10:06:25 GMT
I meant dangerous in the sense that they can f' you up the easiest. I think of the biggest limiting factors to dog fighting prowess is safety. The most important quality is you don't want your dog to murder you. The second biggest factor was the cost of meat. Back in the old days, 1 kilogram of salted pork costed more than a sailors daily wage. Before modern times most dogs would have mostly eaten dog loaves. Rich nobles probably provided their dogs better diets but they were a tiny fraction of the population. imgur.com/pX8Ku2ZTrue, but a lot of the types of dogs we talk about actually were for nobles only. Boarhounds and deerhounds/wolfhounds and etc were developed by noble families and peasants were forbidden from keeping them. Bulldogs did belong to lower class people, but specifically most often the butcher, who pressumably had a little more meat to go around than most people. That's a good point though. It is documented in the history of the dogo argentino breed the brothers were feeding the dogs they were breeding cheese and bread, no meat. The "warhounds" you speak of were initially re-purposed boarhounds, bulldogs and staghounds. Trained to see humans (natives specifically) as prey. It is even written in the earliest documents of what they did to the natives that they were dogs accustomed to biting deer and boars, and found the flesh of humans very soft and delicate in comparison. Later in the established colonies they would start honing lineages of boarhound specifically to be man-hunters and yes they did breed them up bigger and bigger and end up with probably the biggest working hunting dogs ever, at around 70 kgs sometimes. They found that kind of size useful (and evidently not a hindrance) for the "sport" of hunting humans (natives, slaves, criminals, whatever). Whether these 70 kg warhounds aka colonial bloodhounds would beat any other dog in a fight? That's an interesting thought, they would have packed a punch for sure. The bully kutta likely descends directly from such dogs and is indeed now used for dog fighting. |
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 29, 2023 11:32:23 GMT
You disgust me -  |
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Post by s on Aug 29, 2023 13:57:55 GMT
I meant dangerous in the sense that they can f' you up the easiest. I think of the biggest limiting factors to dog fighting prowess is safety. The most important quality is you don't want your dog to murder you. The second biggest factor was the cost of meat. Back in the old days, 1 kilogram of salted pork costed more than a sailors daily wage. Before modern times most dogs would have mostly eaten dog loaves. Rich nobles probably provided their dogs better diets but they were a tiny fraction of the population. imgur.com/pX8Ku2ZTrue, but a lot of the types of dogs we talk about actually were for nobles only. Boarhounds and deerhounds/wolfhounds and etc were developed by noble families and peasants were forbidden from keeping them. Bulldogs did belong to lower class people, but specifically most often the butcher, who pressumably had a little more meat to go around than most people. That's a good point though. It is documented in the history of the dogo argentino breed the brothers were feeding the dogs they were breeding cheese and bread, no meat. The "warhounds" you speak of were initially re-purposed boarhounds, bulldogs and staghounds. Trained to see humans (natives specifically) as prey. It is even written in the earliest documents of what they did to the natives that they were dogs accustomed to biting deer and boars, and found the flesh of humans very soft and delicate in comparison. Later in the established colonies they would start honing lineages of boarhound specifically to be man-hunters and yes they did breed them up bigger and bigger and end up with probably the biggest working hunting dogs ever, at around 70 kgs sometimes. They found that kind of size useful (and evidently not a hindrance) for the "sport" of hunting humans (natives, slaves, criminals, whatever). Whether these 70 kg warhounds aka colonial bloodhounds would beat any other dog in a fight? That's an interesting thought, they would have packed a punch for sure. The bully kutta likely descends directly from such dogs and is indeed now used for dog fighting. Most dogs Cortés and his men used (including the most impressive ones like Becerrillo) were Alanos on the 30-50kg range. The combat power at parity of Fighting Dogs peaks at about 30kg, and begins declining substantially after 50kg. Not only because the dogs themselves become more molossous and less robust for their weight after 50kg, but also because the opponents become more impressive. By the 70-80kg range most healthy wild Carnivorans are too much for any dog at parity. Sure, these dogs were used for mauling enemy soldiers, not for hunting Predators. But a good 30-50kg dog is more than capable to maul an average man to death. Especially considering how short the Amerindians were. And unlike huge 70-80kg Dogs 30-50kg doesn't sacrifice stamina or movility. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 29, 2023 14:34:44 GMT
I'm well aware of what they used. It was a variety, the general hunting dogs they already had which they brought with them to feed themselves hunting as they explored and settled an exotic location. That is what they used, and alanos were one type of dog they had, yes. Catch dogs for seizing big game, but also greyhounds/staghounds and boarhounds and even foxhounds. All the hunting dogs colonial explorers typically had wherever they set sail. A lot of the depictions show dogs like greyhounds killing natives-   And like I said the official source material, the literature anyone who ever talks about them is going by, says very clearly they just used the dogs that they ALSO used to hunt deer and hogs and etc. But sure, alanos were among those. Later on they started breeding dogs for the express purpose of attacking people, and THAT is when they started breeding some larger dogs. This wasn't just in south america but also in north America, the Caribbean, India and south east asia and africa, even in Australia for convicts.    Most of these specialised man-dog lineages went extinct, naturally, when the use of man-eating dogs to rip people to shreds became unacceptable practice. But they were essentially just large boarhounds. Some others were instead large bulldogs. The bullmastiff breed of course famously descends from a man-hunting "gameskeepers dogs" used to hunt poachers in England, and really they are just big bulldogs. |
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 29, 2023 16:10:36 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 29, 2023 20:18:18 GMT
good great dane -  |
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 29, 2023 20:34:40 GMT
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 29, 2023 23:04:11 GMT
good great dane - That's a Great ... Dane. Heh. Really well balanced, big and heavy but athletic looking and ready to fuck shit up. You'd probably need to cross a dane with an apbt to get something like that now. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 30, 2023 1:05:42 GMT
You disgust me - Let me guess.... Dogal. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 30, 2023 1:08:07 GMT
Bullygrey Finally seeing a Bull x greyhound in action. Fucking love them. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 30, 2023 1:11:21 GMT
Those LGDs were doing their job however, respect for them. The silence and coldness of the dogos truly makes them look like the real killers between the four, which they are . |
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