How Many Wolves Would be Needed to Kill a Lion?

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Hardcastle Bolushi oldgreengrolar ophio Musth Wyatt

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Size comparison:

[Wyatt]

Why is this even a question? Lions are a bad competitor for any canid.

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Jun 18, 2023 14:14:54 GMT Wyatt said:

Why is this even a question? Lions are a bad competitor for any canid.

So lol? I asked HOW MANY WOULD BE REQUIRED to kill a lion.

[Wyatt]

Jun 18, 2023 14:16:27 GMT @ling said:

Jun 18, 2023 14:14:54 GMT Wyatt said:

Why is this even a question? Lions are a bad competitor for any canid.

So lol? I asked HOW MANY WOULD BE REQUIRED to kill a lion.

40-50 wolves.

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Jun 18, 2023 14:27:43 GMT Wyatt said:

Jun 18, 2023 14:16:27 GMT @ling said:

So lol? I asked HOW MANY WOULD BE REQUIRED to kill a lion.

40-50 wolves.

Now was that so hard to answer Wyatt?

[CoolJohnson]

I honestly think 10 or more wolves.

I feel like the wolfaboos will get triggered by that number.

[Bolushi]

I dunno, infinite? They would all be scattering, in such a horrific scenario for the primitively social animal that is the wolf I believe it would be disastrous and the big cat would kill many many wolves before actually dying.
Wolves clear an area when tigers are around. I believe this is because a pack of wolves has zero chance.

[Wyatt]

Jun 18, 2023 20:51:29 GMT Bolushi said:

I dunno, infinite? They would all be scattering, in such a horrific scenario for the primitively social animal that is the wolf I believe it would be disastrous and the big cat would kill many many wolves before actually dying.
Wolves clear an area when tigers are around. I believe this is because a pack of wolves has zero chance.

I have no idea why everyone loves the idea of lions being defeated. Its rare to ever happen with any canid.

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Jun 18, 2023 21:56:29 GMT Wyatt said:

Jun 18, 2023 20:51:29 GMT Bolushi said:

I dunno, infinite? They would all be scattering, in such a horrific scenario for the primitively social animal that is the wolf I believe it would be disastrous and the big cat would kill many many wolves before actually dying.
Wolves clear an area when tigers are around. I believe this is because a pack of wolves has zero chance.

I have no idea why everyone loves the idea of lions being defeated. Its rare to ever happen with any canid.

What is that pfp?

[Wyatt]

Jun 18, 2023 22:11:21 GMT @ling said:

Jun 18, 2023 21:56:29 GMT Wyatt said:

I have no idea why everyone loves the idea of lions being defeated. Its rare to ever happen with any canid.

What is that pfp?

Its a resemblant of me in an emoji.

[Hardcastle]

Well... the set number of boarhounds (in the past called alaunts, seizers or bandogges, some called "bloodhounds" in the 1800s, and wolfhounds are basically the same) for a lion/tiger seems to be 4.

The force which is in them surmounteth all beleefe, the fast holde which they take with their teeth exceedeth all credit, three of them against a Beare, fowre against a Lyon are sufficient, both to try masteryes with them and vtterly to ouermatch them.

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He is saying 4 is the optimal number to make a sporting contest or "try masteryes", but also can utterly overmatch a lion as well.

4 was also the number used by circuses to subdue performing big cats that go crazy, here a tiger-

The brute then attacked one of the men, and with a single blow felled him to the floor, after which he again leaped on the horse, whose flanks he tore frightfully, so that the blood poured out. The men again rushed forward, and belabouring the tiger with their whips once more succeeded in dislodging it when it turned and attacked them. Mr Hagenbeck, who had been directing the efforts of his employees, then let loose two bloodhounds and two wolfhounds which had been specially trained for the purpose of subduing vicious animals. They immediately rushed at the tiger, seized him by the ears, leg, and throat, and at length conquered him after the struggle had lasted half an hour.

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Even in the lion baits where they used 35-40 lbs bulldogs, they at no point had more than 3 at a time, and as dogs got injured they would not be replaced, the 2 to single dog/s remaining took it to the end.
3 at a time against the "tame" Nero-

"The following are the conditions under which the combat between Nero and the dogs will be decided:—

"1st. Three dogs are at once to be slipped at him.

"2d. If one or any of them turn tail, he or they are to be considered as beaten, and no one of the other remaining three shall be allowed to attack him until twenty minutes shall be expired, in order to give Nero rest; for he must be allowed to beat the first three, one by one, or as he may choose before the remaining three shall be started.

"After the expiration of the stipulated time, the remaining three dogs are to start according to the foregoing rules, and be regulated as the umpires shall adjudge.

"The dogs to be handled by Mr. Edwards, John Jones, and William Davis, assisted by Samuel Wedgbury.

"1. Turk, a brown coloured dog.—2. Captain, a fallow and white dog, with skewbald face.—[3.] Tiger, a brown dog, with white legs.—4. Nettle, a little brindled bitch, with black head.—5. Rose, a skewbald bitch.—6. Nelson, a white dog, with brindled spots."

In the mean time, the unfortunate lion lay in a caravan by himself all day, in front of the cage in which he was to be baited, surveying the preparations for his own annoyance with great simplicity and apparent good humour; and not at all discomfited by the notice of the numerous persons who came to look at him. In the course of the day, the dogs who were to fight were brought into the menagerie in slips, it being not the least singular feature of this combat that it was to take place immediately under the eyes of an immense host of wild beasts of all descriptions (not including the human spectators); three other lions; a she wolf, with cubs; a hyæna; a white bear; a lioness; two female leopards, with cubs; two zebras, male and female; a large assortment of monkeys; and two wild asses; with a variety of other interesting foreigners, being arranged within a few yards of the grand stand.


These animals, generally, looked clean and in good condition; and were (as is the custom with such creatures when confined) perpetually in motion; but the dogs disappointed expectation—they were very little excited by the introduction. They were strong, however, and lively; crossed, apparantly the majority of them, between the bull and the mastiff breed; one or two showed a touch of the lurcher, a point in the descent of fighting dogs which is held to give an increased capacity of mouth. The average weight of those which fought was from about five and thirty to five and forty pounds each; one had been brought over that weighed more than sixty, but he was on some account or other excluded from the contest.

Wombwell, however, having quitted the cage, the first relay of dogs was laid on. These were a fallow-coloured dog, a brown with white legs, and a third brown altogether—averaging about forty pounds in weight a-piece, and described in the printed papers which were distributed, by the names of Captain, Tiger, and Turk. As the dogs were held for a minute in slips, upon the inclined plane which ran from the ground to the stage, the lion crouched on his belly to receive them

Tiger, being dreadfully maimed, crawled out of the gcae [cage]; and the brown dog, Turk, which was the lightest of the three, but of admirable courage, went on fighting by himself. A most extraordinary scene then ensued: the dog, left entirely alone with an animal of twenty times its weight, continued the battle with unabated fury, and, though bleeding all over from the effect of the lion's claws, seized and pinned him by the nose at least half a dozen times;

It would be tiresome to go at length into the detail of the "second fight," as it was called, which followed this; the undertaking being to the assembly—for the notion of "match" now began to be too obvious a humbug to be talked about—that there should be two onsets, at twenty minutes' interval, by three dogs at each time.

And the savage badass lion which decimated the dogs, Wallace, only fought 2 at a time-

He matched his 'Wallace,' a fine lion, cubbed in Scotland, against six of the best dogs that could be found. Wallace's temper is the very opposite of that of the gentle Nero. It is but seldom that he lets even his feeders approach him, and he soon shows that he cannot reconcile himself to familiarity from any creature not of his own species. Towards eight o'clock the factory-yard was well attended, at 5s. each person, and soon after the battle commenced. The lion was turned from his den to the same stage on which Nero fought. The match was—1st. Three couples of dogs to be slipped at him, two at a time—2d. Twenty minutes or more, as the umpires should think fit, to be allowed between each attack—3d. The dogs to be handed to the cage once only. Tinker, Ball, Billy, Sweep, Turpin, Tiger."

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With wolf-sized boarhound-types it seems 4 is the correct number.

So yeah....

Probably 800 to 1000 wolves would be required.

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Probably 5-10.

[s]

What kind of Wolves are we using? I would say 7 Northwestern ones

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What if we use Arabian Wolves?
Would make it more interesting.