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Post by Wyatt on Jun 16, 2023 10:36:05 GMT
A wolf can kill an adult bull elk. Whats with elk being ranked in the harder category for dogs? That's neither here nor there. Wolves have actually killed bison 1 on 1, do you think a wolf is harder to hunt for a dog than a bison? I think wolf and elk incidentally are about equal, I think a similar dog is required, basically a wolfhound. But it totally doesn't matter which prey animal a wolf can kill, that has no bearing on how killable it is. Its not ABC logic. If a wolf, which doesn’t have any specialization, kills an elk with ease, why do you think a dog couldn’t? A Wolfhound could hunt elk with a lot of ease, I agree, but I don’t stop at most other dogs. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 16, 2023 11:01:11 GMT
That's neither here nor there. Wolves have actually killed bison 1 on 1, do you think a wolf is harder to hunt for a dog than a bison? I think wolf and elk incidentally are about equal, I think a similar dog is required, basically a wolfhound. But it totally doesn't matter which prey animal a wolf can kill, that has no bearing on how killable it is. Its not ABC logic. If a wolf, which doesn’t have any specialization, kills an elk with ease, why do you think a dog couldn’t? A Wolfhound could hunt elk with a lot of ease, I agree, but I don’t stop at most other dogs. Apologies, that's my mistake, I misunderstood what your point was and somehow read it as you saying a wolf kills elk so a wolf should be higher than elk. Now that I get your point ... I still think an elk is a pretty serious challenge. Deerhounds I think can kill red deer but are pretty stretched there, I consider red deer stags about the ceiling for a good deerhound. 1 on 1 and a healthy specimen. I'm not sure a wolf would pull off that kill, let alone an elk. I know they kill elk, I know they kill moose, I know they kill musk ox and bison... BUT it's never that simple with wolves. A healthy bull elk has nothing to worry about from a wolf usually, there may be some freak individuals who could do it, and certainly various weird circumstances where it could happen, but I'd expect a wolf to fail on a healthy bull elk and fail on a healthy red deer stag for that matter most of the time. The Ava community tends to take "cases" and one off "feats" as the norm and epic overwhelming evidence which proves "a lynx can kill wild boar" or whatever. I don't. Animals should be defined by what is normal for them. I think conquering a healthy Bull elk with a reasonable success rate is pretty elite and beyond any wolf subspecies imo. |
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Post by Wyatt on Jun 16, 2023 11:13:47 GMT
Its not ABC logic. If a wolf, which doesn’t have any specialization, kills an elk with ease, why do you think a dog couldn’t? A Wolfhound could hunt elk with a lot of ease, I agree, but I don’t stop at most other dogs. Apologies, that's my mistake, I misunderstood what your point was and somehow read it as you saying a wolf kills elk so a wolf should be higher than elk. Now that I get your point ... I still think an elk is a pretty serious challenge. Deerhounds I think can kill red deer but are pretty stretched there, I consider red deer stags about the ceiling for a good deerhound. 1 on 1 and a healthy specimen. I'm not sure a wolf would pull off that kill, let alone an elk. I know they kill elk, I know they kill moose, I know they kill musk ox and bison... BUT it's never that simple with wolves. A healthy bull elk has nothing to worry about from a wolf usually, there may be some freak individuals who could do it, and certainly various weird circumstances where it could happen, but I'd expect a wolf to fail on a healthy bull elk and fail on a healthy red deer stag for that matter most of the time. The Ava community tends to take "cases" and one off "feats" as the norm and epic overwhelming evidence which proves "a lynx can kill wild boar" or whatever. I don't. Animals should be defined by what is normal for them. I think conquering a healthy Bull elk with a reasonable success rate is pretty elite and beyond any wolf subspecies imo. I think most reasonable sized dogs with at least medium prey drive could kill an elk. Labs, German Shepherds, a good Greyhound, etc. Elk are taken by feral dogs which can be at random height/weights, even though feral dogs have no specialization so like the wolf you’ll hear of the unlucky individual being taken when you read cases by fish and game they observed. With elk, i’d say it comes down to unlucky individuals. If a bull elk does as much as doesn’t walk right wolves will go after them. Its not like bison where they ranch them, i’ve seen some wolves tackle full grown elk. Weak ones not sure because many of the elk in these videos showed no sign of weakness other than running from the rest of the herd. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 16, 2023 11:23:53 GMT
Apologies, that's my mistake, I misunderstood what your point was and somehow read it as you saying a wolf kills elk so a wolf should be higher than elk. Now that I get your point ... I still think an elk is a pretty serious challenge. Deerhounds I think can kill red deer but are pretty stretched there, I consider red deer stags about the ceiling for a good deerhound. 1 on 1 and a healthy specimen. I'm not sure a wolf would pull off that kill, let alone an elk. I know they kill elk, I know they kill moose, I know they kill musk ox and bison... BUT it's never that simple with wolves. A healthy bull elk has nothing to worry about from a wolf usually, there may be some freak individuals who could do it, and certainly various weird circumstances where it could happen, but I'd expect a wolf to fail on a healthy bull elk and fail on a healthy red deer stag for that matter most of the time. The Ava community tends to take "cases" and one off "feats" as the norm and epic overwhelming evidence which proves "a lynx can kill wild boar" or whatever. I don't. Animals should be defined by what is normal for them. I think conquering a healthy Bull elk with a reasonable success rate is pretty elite and beyond any wolf subspecies imo. I think most reasonable sized dogs with at least medium prey drive could kill an elk. Labs, German Shepherds, a good Greyhound, etc. Elk are taken by feral dogs which can be at random height/weights, even though feral dogs have no specialization so like the wolf you’ll hear of the unlucky individual being taken when you read cases by fish and game they observed. With elk, i’d say it comes down to unlucky individuals. If a bull elk does as much as doesn’t walk right wolves will go after them. Its not like bison where they ranch them, i’ve seen some wolves tackle full grown elk. Weak ones not sure because many of the elk in these videos showed no sign of weakness other than running from the rest of the herd. I think the wolves are frankly much better at seeing weakness than we are. You often can't see it, but they can. I think the healthy bull elks, in their prime, HAVE to be immune to wolf predation in order for elk to be a viable species in wolf country. With domestic dogs it's a little different, because they actually do eradicate wild ungulates from their natural range, all the time. Wolves don't. They co-exist peacefully and they do that because the reality is the elite individuals from their various prey species are safe. |
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Post by Wyatt on Jun 16, 2023 15:01:40 GMT
I think most reasonable sized dogs with at least medium prey drive could kill an elk. Labs, German Shepherds, a good Greyhound, etc. Elk are taken by feral dogs which can be at random height/weights, even though feral dogs have no specialization so like the wolf you’ll hear of the unlucky individual being taken when you read cases by fish and game they observed. With elk, i’d say it comes down to unlucky individuals. If a bull elk does as much as doesn’t walk right wolves will go after them. Its not like bison where they ranch them, i’ve seen some wolves tackle full grown elk. Weak ones not sure because many of the elk in these videos showed no sign of weakness other than running from the rest of the herd. I think the wolves are frankly much better at seeing weakness than we are. You often can't see it, but they can. I think the healthy bull elks, in their prime, HAVE to be immune to wolf predation in order for elk to be a viable species in wolf country. With domestic dogs it's a little different, because they actually do eradicate wild ungulates from their natural range, all the time. Wolves don't. They co-exist peacefully and they do that because the reality is the elite individuals from their various prey species are safe. Wolves are great at seeing weakness yes, because in ungulate behavior there are some behaviors NO healthy ungulate would do. But wolves have and can take healthy elk, not in excess but it has happened. You might be thinking “well that would be an isolated incident right?” and I would say no. Its not an isolated incident because wolves do commonly take down healthy elk, it just doesn’t happen in extreme excess. I have not read any study which documents any type of domestic dog “eradicating wild ungulates” and in fact they have became efficient predators of ungulates in many areas, such as Spain where the Iberian wolf isn’t there to control red and fallow deer populations, yet the free-roaming and feral domestic dogs in the area offer an alternative replacement to the Iberian wolf until the Iberian wolf gets more populated because they are endangered. In here, I have not seen any type of eradication, and in fact I have seen these dogs actually helped the population of red and fallow deer. And its going to be a little bit different when a human is in control of the hunt, and not the pack itself. Thats why many domestic working dogs will go after prime healthy ungulates in excess. You would probably see similar results to wolves if there was only a dog pack in control of the hunt and not the human. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 16, 2023 19:36:43 GMT
Well there are humans, and with dogs they have historically repeatedly wiped out all sorts of animals from all sorts of areas across eurasia and even had to reintroduce them to certain areas and etc. Humans and dogs as a team are overpowered for their quarry, but wild predators are not. Wild predators pick at the bottom of their prey's population and the best are immune and survive to breed.
That's why the man/dog alliance has been an unmitigated environmental disaster, unlike any other predator they are too good for the prey species. The exception would be feral domestic pigs (not wild boar), which can thrive with unregulated persecution from the man/dog alliance. And a handful of other species. But most can not.
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Post by Wyatt on Jun 16, 2023 20:03:36 GMT
Well there are humans, and with dogs they have historically repeatedly wiped out all sorts of animals from all sorts of areas across eurasia and even had to reintroduce them to certain areas and etc. Humans and dogs as a team are overpowered for their quarry, but wild predators are not. Wild predators pick at the bottom of their prey's population and the best are immune and survive to breed. That's why the man/dog alliance has been an unmitigated environmental disaster, unlike any other predator they are too good for the prey species. The exception would be feral domestic pigs (not wild boar), which can thrive with unregulated persecution from the man/dog alliance. And a handful of other species. But most can not. I agree, but my point there was also that its domestication that caused it. Feral dogs like wolves will choose selectively based off the circumstances. The study I posted (which i’ll tag you in again) pointed this out that the weakest were more likely to be taken by the dogs. So we should expect that they took the weakest. Where as with domesticated dogs, we see them on anything the human selects is taken by the dogs. Whether thats the strongest or not. |
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Post by Musth on Jun 21, 2023 0:12:36 GMT
lycaon You're probably the most knowledgeable here about terriers so... it's best you make a list for the terriers. I also don't know all the quarry they're involved with. Racoon, Possum, American Badger, groundhog, red fox, Eurasian badger, feral cat, gray fox, marmots, coatidimi, nutria, otter, beaver, muskrat, rat, ground squirrel, tree squirrel. The last few are impossible to hunt underground with a terrier, terrier is too big to go to earth to hunt them. I would say Badger is the toughest underground to hunt. Above ground though I have heard a Racoon might be the toughest out of the quarry hunted with terriers. Edit: otter imo would be the hardest quarry. These are just for traditional terriers, something like a jagd terrier can do a whole lot more(big game and birds). |
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Post by Wyatt on Jun 21, 2023 0:20:28 GMT
lycaon You're probably the most knowledgeable here about terriers so... it's best you make a list for the terriers. I also don't know all the quarry they're involved with. Racoon, Possum, American Badger, groundhog, red fox, Eurasian badger, feral cat, gray fox, marmots, coatidimi, nutria, otter, beaver, muskrat, rat, ground squirrel, tree squirrel. The last few are impossible to hunt underground with a terrier, terrier is too big to go to earth to hunt them. I would say Badger is the toughest underground to hunt. Above ground though I have heard a Racoon might be the toughest out of the quarry hunted with terriers. Edit: otter imo would be the hardest quarry. These are just for traditional terriers, something like a jagd terrier can do a whole lot more(big game and birds). White tailed deer too. |
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Post by Bolushi on Jun 21, 2023 1:37:37 GMT
lycaon You're probably the most knowledgeable here about terriers so... it's best you make a list for the terriers. I also don't know all the quarry they're involved with. Racoon, Possum, American Badger, groundhog, red fox, Eurasian badger, feral cat, gray fox, marmots, coatidimi, nutria, otter, beaver, muskrat, rat, ground squirrel, tree squirrel. The last few are impossible to hunt underground with a terrier, terrier is too big to go to earth to hunt them. I would say Badger is the toughest underground to hunt. Above ground though I have heard a Racoon might be the toughest out of the quarry hunted with terriers. Edit: otter imo would be the hardest quarry. These are just for traditional terriers, something like a jagd terrier can do a whole lot more(big game and birds). Where's bobcat? |
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Post by Musth on Jun 21, 2023 1:52:51 GMT
Racoon, Possum, American Badger, groundhog, red fox, Eurasian badger, feral cat, gray fox, marmots, coatidimi, nutria, otter, beaver, muskrat, rat, ground squirrel, tree squirrel. The last few are impossible to hunt underground with a terrier, terrier is too big to go to earth to hunt them. I would say Badger is the toughest underground to hunt. Above ground though I have heard a Racoon might be the toughest out of the quarry hunted with terriers. Edit: otter imo would be the hardest quarry. These are just for traditional terriers, something like a jagd terrier can do a whole lot more(big game and birds). Where's bobcat? I guess you could…. But usually need a dog with a good scent to hunt one. But yeah if you come across one you could send a traditional terrier after one, although I would be more confident with something with a little more size than a 15lbs or less Patterdale. (Although a 17lbs jagd killed a 23lbs bobcat out of briarwoods). Bobcats don’t dig deep dens. Their dens are in caves, rocks, brush piles, stuff that traditional terrier men/hunters avoid because they like to dig to their quarry(dirt/soil). And also for safety reasons if you can’t dig to your dog, if your dog gets sticker or trapped it’s dead. Jagds are used with great success with bobcats because of their great scent, and small size enables them to follow where the bobcat has went, and yes follow them in brush piles even rock piles etc. But most “traditional” terrier men don’t like working in rocks, caves, or brush piles. They prefer the first/soil. |
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Post by s on Sept 15, 2023 14:17:37 GMT
In my list here (share your disagreements if you have any, and also let me know if I'm missing something I should add) I'm going to make my list in regards to seizers. All of you can go for other dog types if you want. A "seizer" hunting dog would be a bull breed, sighthound or in some cases a terrier but they should get their own separate list in this thread IMO. I'll divide this into regions/countries. I'll kick this off with 2 I know a lot about. South AmericaHog - Proven to be very troublesome, kill lots of dogs, are inclined to fight and when they do they have big tusks and powerful jaws to fight with. Along with this they are very durable. If a dog is too small, it will have a bad time most likely. Especially without a vest. Of course, hogs vary a lot so some have much less fight in them than others, however most that live in tough predator country and/or areas without much food they can eat are very tough. Bull - Might be more dangerous than the hog. Very durable, hard to subjugate, harder to kill. It's so powerful that dogs should actually go down in weight to be ideal. So a dog under 100lbs. A big dog above 130lbs, while bad news for a hog, is going to have a very difficult time subjugating a bull and will most likely be killed. I feel the hog is better at killing and causing catastrophic injuries than the bull, it can follow through with that more, so I place it slightly above the bull. That can change, though. Puma - A fairly dramatic demotion from the hog and bull, but an adult cat can tear up dogs pretty good. If it's big enough, it can grapple down and kill them and if the puma is powerful enough to achieve this, it's actually more dangerous than the hog. Luckily pumas don't weigh as much as hogs and are more comparable to the dogs in size. Guanaco - Also a fairly dramatic demotion, not very dangerous but they can slip dogs with their long necks sometimes. Hard to catch, hard to maintain, but ultimately not hard to take out. It's all fleeing and outrunning. The dogs used to hunt guanaco are faster and more nimble. Red Deer Stag - Similar to the guanaco, but less fighter inclination. Its large size makes it more of an undertaking to bring down but it's of little danger to the dogs attacking it. Does and the other deer species - Easy money pretty much, it's the speed that's the problem. South Africa
African Leopard - Extremely hard to hunt, which is why they don't hunt them. These people mostly have access to greyhounds and street dogs so a leopard would tear them up, and make them bail and refrain from engaging. Bushpig/Hog - Same as before. Red River Hog - Inferior since it's usually a little smaller. Warthog - Powerful and durable in its own right but inferior to true hogs and the "cheetah" of swine. This does however make them very fast so from time to time a dog will die. Baboon - Will probably kill a dog that doesn't know what it's doing, but dogs who are aware of how to tackle baboons (and might be inferior at warthogs and everything else) will win and it won't even be that hard. Sometimes by the time they're done harassing and picking at the baboon its arms and legs are torn to shreds causing them to "malfunction". Then the dog attacks. For some dogs. a solid bite to the neck or head and shutting a baboon's lights out ASAP is best to avoid being tore up by the baboon's limbs. Kudu and other big powerful antelope - A difficult undertaking, dogs are normally at a minimal risk though. Brown Hyena - Similar, their offense is not good. They take air swings. The dogs grab them by the head and they can't do anything. More durable so the fight can last a long time, maybe make some dogs yelp here and there, but overall just not a hard fight, just a hard kill. Jackal - Easy money but they have teeth and know how to use them. Aardwolf - Can't do much like the brown hyena, different is they're tiny and even if they did in fact do something it would amount to nothing. Wouldn't even get a yelp or any acknowledgement. Dogs grab them and rip them to pieces, it doesn't look much better than a video of 2 african wild dogs playing tug of war with a rabbit. Caracal - Easier money but they have teeth and claws and kind of know how to use them. Small antelope - Practically defenseless. Porcupine/Constrictor Snake - Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time. I'll do South America, Argentina/Chile in specific Wild Water Buffalo - no explanation needed Puma - Does vary, we are using a large male close to 70kg, a smaller female under 50kg may be on a lower spots. Red Deer - Fast, tall, heavy and can deliver powerful stomps, if it's a male it's antlers give it protection against dog attempts to latch to it's head Mule Deer - Very similar to Red Deer but somewhat lighter Collared Peccary - Compared to the larger Deers it's more dangerous and can do more damage with it's tusks and charges but much lighter, smaller and easier to take down. An experienced medium-sized hunting Dog can take it down alone, but still needs to be careful with engaging frontally to avoid being gored by tusks Axis Deer - Major downgrade from Mule Deer, much smaller, much less formidable/resistant, slower and with less impressive Antlers in males Blackbuck - Similar to Axis Deer but worse, Males don't even have antlers, just little horns, they don't get above 50kg so a single 15kg Dog that has experience can singlehandlely take it down Cinnamon Teal - As with Water Buffalo, no explanation needed, poor Duck... |
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Post by s on Oct 28, 2023 15:47:52 GMT
I think most reasonable sized dogs with at least medium prey drive could kill an elk. Labs, German Shepherds, a good Greyhound, etc. Elk are taken by feral dogs which can be at random height/weights, even though feral dogs have no specialization so like the wolf you’ll hear of the unlucky individual being taken when you read cases by fish and game they observed. With elk, i’d say it comes down to unlucky individuals. If a bull elk does as much as doesn’t walk right wolves will go after them. Its not like bison where they ranch them, i’ve seen some wolves tackle full grown elk. Weak ones not sure because many of the elk in these videos showed no sign of weakness other than running from the rest of the herd. I think the wolves are frankly much better at seeing weakness than we are. You often can't see it, but they can. I think the healthy bull elks, in their prime, HAVE to be immune to wolf predation in order for elk to be a viable species in wolf country. With domestic dogs it's a little different, because they actually do eradicate wild ungulates from their natural range, all the time. Wolves don't. They co-exist peacefully and they do that because the reality is the elite individuals from their various prey species are safe. What kind of large wild Ungulate was "eradicated" by Dogs? Distracting a Red Deer so the Hunter can stab it doesn't count. Most a Dog can do against an Elk is annoy it and mildly injure it. It's too tall (5 feet at shoulder) |
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Post by s on Oct 28, 2023 15:50:10 GMT
In my list here (share your disagreements if you have any, and also let me know if I'm missing something I should add) I'm going to make my list in regards to seizers. All of you can go for other dog types if you want. A "seizer" hunting dog would be a bull breed, sighthound or in some cases a terrier but they should get their own separate list in this thread IMO. I'll divide this into regions/countries. I'll kick this off with 2 I know a lot about. South AmericaHog - Proven to be very troublesome, kill lots of dogs, are inclined to fight and when they do they have big tusks and powerful jaws to fight with. Along with this they are very durable. If a dog is too small, it will have a bad time most likely. Especially without a vest. Of course, hogs vary a lot so some have much less fight in them than others, however most that live in tough predator country and/or areas without much food they can eat are very tough. Bull - Might be more dangerous than the hog. Very durable, hard to subjugate, harder to kill. It's so powerful that dogs should actually go down in weight to be ideal. So a dog under 100lbs. A big dog above 130lbs, while bad news for a hog, is going to have a very difficult time subjugating a bull and will most likely be killed. I feel the hog is better at killing and causing catastrophic injuries than the bull, it can follow through with that more, so I place it slightly above the bull. That can change, though. Puma - A fairly dramatic demotion from the hog and bull, but an adult cat can tear up dogs pretty good. If it's big enough, it can grapple down and kill them and if the puma is powerful enough to achieve this, it's actually more dangerous than the hog. Luckily pumas don't weigh as much as hogs and are more comparable to the dogs in size. Guanaco - Also a fairly dramatic demotion, not very dangerous but they can slip dogs with their long necks sometimes. Hard to catch, hard to maintain, but ultimately not hard to take out. It's all fleeing and outrunning. The dogs used to hunt guanaco are faster and more nimble. Red Deer Stag - Similar to the guanaco, but less fighter inclination. Its large size makes it more of an undertaking to bring down but it's of little danger to the dogs attacking it. Does and the other deer species - Easy money pretty much, it's the speed that's the problem. South Africa
African Leopard - Extremely hard to hunt, which is why they don't hunt them. These people mostly have access to greyhounds and street dogs so a leopard would tear them up, and make them bail and refrain from engaging. Bushpig/Hog - Same as before. Red River Hog - Inferior since it's usually a little smaller. Warthog - Powerful and durable in its own right but inferior to true hogs and the "cheetah" of swine. This does however make them very fast so from time to time a dog will die. Baboon - Will probably kill a dog that doesn't know what it's doing, but dogs who are aware of how to tackle baboons (and might be inferior at warthogs and everything else) will win and it won't even be that hard. Sometimes by the time they're done harassing and picking at the baboon its arms and legs are torn to shreds causing them to "malfunction". Then the dog attacks. For some dogs. a solid bite to the neck or head and shutting a baboon's lights out ASAP is best to avoid being tore up by the baboon's limbs. Kudu and other big powerful antelope - A difficult undertaking, dogs are normally at a minimal risk though. Brown Hyena - Similar, their offense is not good. They take air swings. The dogs grab them by the head and they can't do anything. More durable so the fight can last a long time, maybe make some dogs yelp here and there, but overall just not a hard fight, just a hard kill. Jackal - Easy money but they have teeth and know how to use them. Aardwolf - Can't do much like the brown hyena, different is they're tiny and even if they did in fact do something it would amount to nothing. Wouldn't even get a yelp or any acknowledgement. Dogs grab them and rip them to pieces, it doesn't look much better than a video of 2 african wild dogs playing tug of war with a rabbit. Caracal - Easier money but they have teeth and claws and kind of know how to use them. Small antelope - Practically defenseless. Porcupine/Constrictor Snake - Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time. Why is Bull in there as if it was something South Americans Hunters hunt, lol? "Yeah, i hate my neighbour who happens to own a farm, going to send my hounds after his cattle. That will show him" |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 29, 2023 1:47:57 GMT
In my list here (share your disagreements if you have any, and also let me know if I'm missing something I should add) I'm going to make my list in regards to seizers. All of you can go for other dog types if you want. A "seizer" hunting dog would be a bull breed, sighthound or in some cases a terrier but they should get their own separate list in this thread IMO. I'll divide this into regions/countries. I'll kick this off with 2 I know a lot about. South AmericaHog - Proven to be very troublesome, kill lots of dogs, are inclined to fight and when they do they have big tusks and powerful jaws to fight with. Along with this they are very durable. If a dog is too small, it will have a bad time most likely. Especially without a vest. Of course, hogs vary a lot so some have much less fight in them than others, however most that live in tough predator country and/or areas without much food they can eat are very tough. Bull - Might be more dangerous than the hog. Very durable, hard to subjugate, harder to kill. It's so powerful that dogs should actually go down in weight to be ideal. So a dog under 100lbs. A big dog above 130lbs, while bad news for a hog, is going to have a very difficult time subjugating a bull and will most likely be killed. I feel the hog is better at killing and causing catastrophic injuries than the bull, it can follow through with that more, so I place it slightly above the bull. That can change, though. Puma - A fairly dramatic demotion from the hog and bull, but an adult cat can tear up dogs pretty good. If it's big enough, it can grapple down and kill them and if the puma is powerful enough to achieve this, it's actually more dangerous than the hog. Luckily pumas don't weigh as much as hogs and are more comparable to the dogs in size. Guanaco - Also a fairly dramatic demotion, not very dangerous but they can slip dogs with their long necks sometimes. Hard to catch, hard to maintain, but ultimately not hard to take out. It's all fleeing and outrunning. The dogs used to hunt guanaco are faster and more nimble. Red Deer Stag - Similar to the guanaco, but less fighter inclination. Its large size makes it more of an undertaking to bring down but it's of little danger to the dogs attacking it. Does and the other deer species - Easy money pretty much, it's the speed that's the problem. South Africa
African Leopard - Extremely hard to hunt, which is why they don't hunt them. These people mostly have access to greyhounds and street dogs so a leopard would tear them up, and make them bail and refrain from engaging. Bushpig/Hog - Same as before. Red River Hog - Inferior since it's usually a little smaller. Warthog - Powerful and durable in its own right but inferior to true hogs and the "cheetah" of swine. This does however make them very fast so from time to time a dog will die. Baboon - Will probably kill a dog that doesn't know what it's doing, but dogs who are aware of how to tackle baboons (and might be inferior at warthogs and everything else) will win and it won't even be that hard. Sometimes by the time they're done harassing and picking at the baboon its arms and legs are torn to shreds causing them to "malfunction". Then the dog attacks. For some dogs. a solid bite to the neck or head and shutting a baboon's lights out ASAP is best to avoid being tore up by the baboon's limbs. Kudu and other big powerful antelope - A difficult undertaking, dogs are normally at a minimal risk though. Brown Hyena - Similar, their offense is not good. They take air swings. The dogs grab them by the head and they can't do anything. More durable so the fight can last a long time, maybe make some dogs yelp here and there, but overall just not a hard fight, just a hard kill. Jackal - Easy money but they have teeth and know how to use them. Aardwolf - Can't do much like the brown hyena, different is they're tiny and even if they did in fact do something it would amount to nothing. Wouldn't even get a yelp or any acknowledgement. Dogs grab them and rip them to pieces, it doesn't look much better than a video of 2 african wild dogs playing tug of war with a rabbit. Caracal - Easier money but they have teeth and claws and kind of know how to use them. Small antelope - Practically defenseless. Porcupine/Constrictor Snake - Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time. Why is Bull in there as if it was something South Americans Hunters hunt, lol? "Yeah, i hate my neighbour who happens to own a farm, going to send my hounds after his cattle. That will show him" There are wild cattle in Brazil (like most places in the world). Apparently they call them "Bagual" or "baguá" ? I won't claim I've heard much about them. |
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