Toughest quarry for hunting dogs

[Bolushi]

In my list here (share your disagreements if you have any, and also let me know if I'm missing something I should add) I'm going to make my list in regards to seizers. All of you can go for other dog types if you want.
A "seizer" hunting dog would be a bull breed, sighthound or in some cases a terrier but they should get their own separate list in this thread IMO.
I'll divide this into regions/countries. I'll kick this off with 2 I know a lot about. 
South America
Hog - Proven to be very troublesome, kill lots of dogs, are inclined to fight and when they do they have big tusks and powerful jaws to fight with. Along with this they are very durable. If a dog is too small, it will have a bad time most likely. Especially without a vest. Of course, hogs vary a lot so some have much less fight in them than others, however most that live in tough predator country and/or areas without much food they can eat are very tough.

Bull - Might be more dangerous than the hog. Very durable, hard to subjugate, harder to kill. It's so powerful that dogs should actually go down in weight to be ideal. So a dog under 100lbs. A big dog above 130lbs, while bad news for a hog, is going to have a very difficult time subjugating a bull and will most likely be killed. I feel the hog is better at killing and causing catastrophic injuries than the bull, it can follow through with that more, so I place it slightly above the bull. That can change, though.

Puma - A fairly dramatic demotion from the hog and bull, but an adult cat can tear up dogs pretty good. If it's big enough, it can grapple down and kill them and if the puma is powerful enough to achieve this, it's actually more dangerous than the hog. Luckily pumas don't weigh as much as hogs and are more comparable to the dogs in size.

Guanaco - Also a fairly dramatic demotion, not very dangerous but they can slip dogs with their long necks sometimes. Hard to catch, hard to maintain, but ultimately not hard to take out. It's all fleeing and outrunning. The dogs used to hunt guanaco are faster and more nimble.

Red Deer Stag - Similar to the guanaco, but less fighter inclination. Its large size makes it more of an undertaking to bring down but it's of little danger to the dogs attacking it.

Does and the other deer species - Easy money pretty much, it's the speed that's the problem.

South Africa
African Leopard - Extremely hard to hunt, which is why they don't hunt them. These people mostly have access to greyhounds and street dogs so a leopard would tear them up, and make them bail and refrain from engaging.

Bushpig/Hog - Same as before.

Red River Hog - Inferior since it's usually a little smaller.

Warthog - Powerful and durable in its own right but inferior to true hogs and the "cheetah" of swine. This does however make them very fast so from time to time a dog will die.

Baboon - Will probably kill a dog that doesn't know what it's doing, but dogs who are aware of how to tackle baboons (and might be inferior at warthogs and everything else) will win and it won't even be that hard. Sometimes by the time they're done harassing and picking at the baboon its arms and legs are torn to shreds causing them to "malfunction". Then the dog attacks. For some dogs. a solid bite to the neck or head and shutting a baboon's lights out ASAP is best to avoid being tore up by the baboon's limbs.

Kudu and other big powerful antelope - A difficult undertaking, dogs are normally at a minimal risk though.

Brown Hyena - Similar, their offense is not good. They take air swings. The dogs grab them by the head and they can't do anything. More durable so the fight can last a long time, maybe make some dogs yelp here and there, but overall just not a hard fight, just a hard kill.

Jackal - Easy money but they have teeth and know how to use them.

Aardwolf - Can't do much like the brown hyena, different is they're tiny and even if they did in fact do something it would amount to nothing. Wouldn't even get a yelp or any acknowledgement. Dogs grab them and rip them to pieces, it doesn't look much better than a video of 2 african wild dogs playing tug of war with a rabbit.

Caracal - Easier money but they have teeth and claws and kind of know how to use them.

Small antelope - Practically defenseless.

Porcupine/Constrictor Snake - Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time.

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Jun 15, 2023 7:56:49 GMT Bolushi said:

Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time.

Ah yes, a dog will easily be able to kill a 70kg python.

[Hardcastle]

Jun 15, 2023 7:56:49 GMT Bolushi said:

In my list here (share your disagreements if you have any, and also let me know if I'm missing something I should add) I'm going to make my list in regards to seizers. All of you can go for other dog types if you want.
A "seizer" hunting dog would be a bull breed, sighthound or in some cases a terrier but they should get their own separate list in this thread IMO.
I'll divide this into regions/countries. I'll kick this off with 2 I know a lot about. 
South America
Hog - Proven to be very troublesome, kill lots of dogs, are inclined to fight and when they do they have big tusks and powerful jaws to fight with. Along with this they are very durable. If a dog is too small, it will have a bad time most likely. Especially without a vest. Of course, hogs vary a lot so some have much less fight in them than others, however most that live in tough predator country and/or areas without much food they can eat are very tough.

Bull - Might be more dangerous than the hog. Very durable, hard to subjugate, harder to kill. It's so powerful that dogs should actually go down in weight to be ideal. So a dog under 100lbs. A big dog above 130lbs, while bad news for a hog, is going to have a very difficult time subjugating a bull and will most likely be killed. I feel the hog is better at killing and causing catastrophic injuries than the bull, it can follow through with that more, so I place it slightly above the bull. That can change, though.

Puma - A fairly dramatic demotion from the hog and bull, but an adult cat can tear up dogs pretty good. If it's big enough, it can grapple down and kill them and if the puma is powerful enough to achieve this, it's actually more dangerous than the hog. Luckily pumas don't weigh as much as hogs and are more comparable to the dogs in size.

Guanaco - Also a fairly dramatic demotion, not very dangerous but they can slip dogs with their long necks sometimes. Hard to catch, hard to maintain, but ultimately not hard to take out. It's all fleeing and outrunning. The dogs used to hunt guanaco are faster and more nimble.

Red Deer Stag - Similar to the guanaco, but less fighter inclination. Its large size makes it more of an undertaking to bring down but it's of little danger to the dogs attacking it.

Does and the other deer species - Easy money pretty much, it's the speed that's the problem.

South Africa
African Leopard - Extremely hard to hunt, which is why they don't hunt them. These people mostly have access to greyhounds and street dogs so a leopard would tear them up, and make them bail and refrain from engaging.

Bushpig/Hog - Same as before.

Red River Hog - Inferior since it's usually a little smaller.

Warthog - Powerful and durable in its own right but inferior to true hogs and the "cheetah" of swine. This does however make them very fast so from time to time a dog will die.

Baboon - Will probably kill a dog that doesn't know what it's doing, but dogs who are aware of how to tackle baboons (and might be inferior at warthogs and everything else) will win and it won't even be that hard. Sometimes by the time they're done harassing and picking at the baboon its arms and legs are torn to shreds causing them to "malfunction". Then the dog attacks. For some dogs. a solid bite to the neck or head and shutting a baboon's lights out ASAP is best to avoid being tore up by the baboon's limbs.

Kudu and other big powerful antelope - A difficult undertaking, dogs are normally at a minimal risk though.

Brown Hyena - Similar, their offense is not good. They take air swings. The dogs grab them by the head and they can't do anything. More durable so the fight can last a long time, maybe make some dogs yelp here and there, but overall just not a hard fight, just a hard kill.

Jackal - Easy money but they have teeth and know how to use them.

Aardwolf - Can't do much like the brown hyena, different is they're tiny and even if they did in fact do something it would amount to nothing. Wouldn't even get a yelp or any acknowledgement. Dogs grab them and rip them to pieces, it doesn't look much better than a video of 2 african wild dogs playing tug of war with a rabbit.

Caracal - Easier money but they have teeth and claws and kind of know how to use them.

Small antelope - Practically defenseless.

Porcupine/Constrictor Snake - Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time.

I'd put wild cattle above boars tbh. For hard luggers, they are easier to evade for curs (even very rough curs), but for hard luggers I think they are harder to lug and more dangerous/hazardous. Especially on average. There are some individual boars that are very weirdly good at killing (and they're usually not even the big ones), maybe they are arguably slightly more dangerous at quickly and efficiently, spitefully, killing dogs. But I think even then a very mean spanish bull would have something to say, and then on average cattle are definitely worse. Non-special cattle will even accidentally maim and kill dogs, from what I have heard (the breeder of boss hunted them for decades with pitbulls and pitbullmastiffs). It's a more hazardous "sport" I think for sure.

And then it might get even worse with cape buffalos, and maybe bison as well (possibly harder to subdue but maybe less deadly than an iberian). Big Bovines are the peak I think. But boar are definitely next. Big 3 are Bovines, Boars and bears.
Excluding of course "the impossibles"; Elephants, rhinos and hippos (two weird cases of elephant capture not withstanding) and dare I say Lions and Tigers. And I guess giraffes? A giraffe would have to fuck up badly by gettings it's head low enough. It's probably impossible.

A moose is almost giraffe-esque in some of the difficulties faced. Not sure about it.

I think kudus and elands and the like, large heavy antelopes, I actually think they aren't a problem. Like below-average normal cattle.

Tapirs are a curve ball and a dark horse. They might just be neck and neck with boars. Not really sure about them either.

Horses and Camels are both pretty deadly. I might say horses, camels and tapirs are all in a "surprisingly fighty category" that is pretty much level with boars, below only a small percentage of boars and above most.

I wonder where jaguars should rank? They could be up with the impossibles or barely above pumas, I'm not too sure.

At some point leopards come in, for me slightly above pumas, but it could just be all hype testimonies. I do think those 2 are very close.

Then maybe wolves, and then elk. Pressumable spotted hyenas might be here? Unknown.

Then guanaco and red deer, maybe a few more largish antelopes are around here too. I think striped and brown hyenas are here as well. Striped SLIGHTLY above brown.

Then a whole bunch of lesser deer and antelopes, and I would put coyotes and badgers here also. Otters might be here too. Peccaries/javelina as well. And kangaroos, and ratites. And goats and wild sheep.

I'd put a civet just below this, and along side many small cats. And jackals.

Then I think we get down into wallabies and small weird dwarf deer and antelopes. And agoutis and pacas and those sorts of things.

Then hares and jackrabbits.

Then regular rabbits.

Finally rats and mice.

Let me know what I missed.

[Bolushi]

Jun 15, 2023 11:00:10 GMT Hardcastle said:

Jun 15, 2023 7:56:49 GMT Bolushi said:

In my list here (share your disagreements if you have any, and also let me know if I'm missing something I should add) I'm going to make my list in regards to seizers. All of you can go for other dog types if you want.
A "seizer" hunting dog would be a bull breed, sighthound or in some cases a terrier but they should get their own separate list in this thread IMO.
I'll divide this into regions/countries. I'll kick this off with 2 I know a lot about. 
South America
Hog - Proven to be very troublesome, kill lots of dogs, are inclined to fight and when they do they have big tusks and powerful jaws to fight with. Along with this they are very durable. If a dog is too small, it will have a bad time most likely. Especially without a vest. Of course, hogs vary a lot so some have much less fight in them than others, however most that live in tough predator country and/or areas without much food they can eat are very tough.

Bull - Might be more dangerous than the hog. Very durable, hard to subjugate, harder to kill. It's so powerful that dogs should actually go down in weight to be ideal. So a dog under 100lbs. A big dog above 130lbs, while bad news for a hog, is going to have a very difficult time subjugating a bull and will most likely be killed. I feel the hog is better at killing and causing catastrophic injuries than the bull, it can follow through with that more, so I place it slightly above the bull. That can change, though.

Puma - A fairly dramatic demotion from the hog and bull, but an adult cat can tear up dogs pretty good. If it's big enough, it can grapple down and kill them and if the puma is powerful enough to achieve this, it's actually more dangerous than the hog. Luckily pumas don't weigh as much as hogs and are more comparable to the dogs in size.

Guanaco - Also a fairly dramatic demotion, not very dangerous but they can slip dogs with their long necks sometimes. Hard to catch, hard to maintain, but ultimately not hard to take out. It's all fleeing and outrunning. The dogs used to hunt guanaco are faster and more nimble.

Red Deer Stag - Similar to the guanaco, but less fighter inclination. Its large size makes it more of an undertaking to bring down but it's of little danger to the dogs attacking it.

Does and the other deer species - Easy money pretty much, it's the speed that's the problem.

South Africa
African Leopard - Extremely hard to hunt, which is why they don't hunt them. These people mostly have access to greyhounds and street dogs so a leopard would tear them up, and make them bail and refrain from engaging.

Bushpig/Hog - Same as before.

Red River Hog - Inferior since it's usually a little smaller.

Warthog - Powerful and durable in its own right but inferior to true hogs and the "cheetah" of swine. This does however make them very fast so from time to time a dog will die.

Baboon - Will probably kill a dog that doesn't know what it's doing, but dogs who are aware of how to tackle baboons (and might be inferior at warthogs and everything else) will win and it won't even be that hard. Sometimes by the time they're done harassing and picking at the baboon its arms and legs are torn to shreds causing them to "malfunction". Then the dog attacks. For some dogs. a solid bite to the neck or head and shutting a baboon's lights out ASAP is best to avoid being tore up by the baboon's limbs.

Kudu and other big powerful antelope - A difficult undertaking, dogs are normally at a minimal risk though.

Brown Hyena - Similar, their offense is not good. They take air swings. The dogs grab them by the head and they can't do anything. More durable so the fight can last a long time, maybe make some dogs yelp here and there, but overall just not a hard fight, just a hard kill.

Jackal - Easy money but they have teeth and know how to use them.

Aardwolf - Can't do much like the brown hyena, different is they're tiny and even if they did in fact do something it would amount to nothing. Wouldn't even get a yelp or any acknowledgement. Dogs grab them and rip them to pieces, it doesn't look much better than a video of 2 african wild dogs playing tug of war with a rabbit.

Caracal - Easier money but they have teeth and claws and kind of know how to use them.

Small antelope - Practically defenseless.

Porcupine/Constrictor Snake - Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time.

I'd put wild cattle above boars tbh. For hard luggers, they are easier to evade for curs (even very rough curs), but for hard luggers I think they are harder to lug and more dangerous/hazardous. Especially on average. There are some individual boars that are very weirdly good at killing (and they're usually not even the big ones), maybe they are arguably slightly more dangerous at quickly and efficiently, spitefully, killing dogs. But I think even then a very mean spanish bull would have something to say, and then on average cattle are definitely worse. Non-special cattle will even accidentally maim and kill dogs, from what I have heard (the breeder of boss hunted them for decades with pitbulls and pitbullmastiffs). It's a more hazardous "sport" I think for sure.

And then it might get even worse with cape buffalos, and maybe bison as well (possibly harder to subdue but maybe less deadly than an iberian). Big Bovines are the peak I think. But boar are definitely next. Big 3 are Bovines, Boars and bears.
Excluding of course "the impossibles"; Elephants, rhinos and hippos (two weird cases of elephant capture not withstanding) and dare I say Lions and Tigers. And I guess giraffes? A giraffe would have to fuck up badly by gettings it's head low enough. It's probably impossible.

A moose is almost giraffe-esque in some of the difficulties faced. Not sure about it.

I think kudus and elands and the like, large heavy antelopes, I actually think they aren't a problem. Like below-average normal cattle.

Tapirs are a curve ball and a dark horse. They might just be neck and neck with boars. Not really sure about them either.

Horses and Camels are both pretty deadly. I might say horses, camels and tapirs are all in a "surprisingly fighty category" that is pretty much level with boars, below only a small percentage of boars and above most.

I wonder where jaguars should rank? They could be up with the impossibles or barely above pumas, I'm not too sure.

At some point leopards come in, for me slightly above pumas, but it could just be all hype testimonies. I do think those 2 are very close.

Then maybe wolves, and then elk. Pressumable spotted hyenas might be here? Unknown.

Then guanaco and red deer, maybe a few more largish antelopes are around here too. I think striped and brown hyenas are here as well. Striped SLIGHTLY above brown.

Then a whole bunch of lesser deer and antelopes, and I would put coyotes and badgers here also. Otters might be here too. Peccaries/javelina as well. And kangaroos, and ratites. And goats and wild sheep.

I'd put a civet just below this, and along side many small cats. And jackals.

Then I think we get down into wallabies and small weird dwarf deer and antelopes. And agoutis and pacas and those sorts of things.

Then hares and jackrabbits.

Then regular rabbits.

Finally rats and mice.

Let me know what I missed.

I had planned those for a terrier-specific ranking.
Thoughts on my warthog placement?

[Bolushi]

Jun 15, 2023 10:34:42 GMT @ling said:

Jun 15, 2023 7:56:49 GMT Bolushi said:

Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time.

Ah yes, a dog will easily be able to kill a 70kg python.

If anyone is dying it's the python if the dog knows what it's doing.

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Jun 15, 2023 11:44:25 GMT Bolushi said:

Jun 15, 2023 10:34:42 GMT @ling said:

Ah yes, a dog will easily be able to kill a 70kg python.

If anyone is dying it's the python if the dog knows what it's doing.

Please grow up Bolushi. Menvidas already said this to you...but please, just grow up.

[Hardcastle]

Oh yeah, left out warthogs...
Would wolf level be too high?

[Wyatt]

A wolf can kill an adult bull elk. Whats with elk being ranked in the harder category for dogs?

[Hardcastle]

Jun 15, 2023 12:33:00 GMT Wyatt said:

A wolf can kill an adult bull elk. Whats with elk being ranked in the harder category for dogs?

That's neither here nor there. Wolves have actually killed bison 1 on 1, do you think a wolf is harder to hunt for a dog than a bison?

I think wolf and elk incidentally are about equal, I think a similar dog is required, basically a wolfhound.

But it totally doesn't matter which prey animal a wolf can kill, that has no bearing on how killable it is.

[Bolushi]

Jun 15, 2023 12:24:03 GMT @ling said:

Jun 15, 2023 11:44:25 GMT Bolushi said:

If anyone is dying it's the python if the dog knows what it's doing.

Please grow up Bolushi. Menvidas already said this to you...but please, just grow up.

Don't tell me to grow up when your favorite animals are sharks and snakes.

[Bolushi]

Jun 15, 2023 12:30:39 GMT Hardcastle said:

Oh yeah, left out warthogs...
Would wolf level be too high?

What do you mean?

[Bolushi]

Jun 15, 2023 11:00:10 GMT Hardcastle said:

Jun 15, 2023 7:56:49 GMT Bolushi said:

In my list here (share your disagreements if you have any, and also let me know if I'm missing something I should add) I'm going to make my list in regards to seizers. All of you can go for other dog types if you want.
A "seizer" hunting dog would be a bull breed, sighthound or in some cases a terrier but they should get their own separate list in this thread IMO.
I'll divide this into regions/countries. I'll kick this off with 2 I know a lot about. 
South America
Hog - Proven to be very troublesome, kill lots of dogs, are inclined to fight and when they do they have big tusks and powerful jaws to fight with. Along with this they are very durable. If a dog is too small, it will have a bad time most likely. Especially without a vest. Of course, hogs vary a lot so some have much less fight in them than others, however most that live in tough predator country and/or areas without much food they can eat are very tough.

Bull - Might be more dangerous than the hog. Very durable, hard to subjugate, harder to kill. It's so powerful that dogs should actually go down in weight to be ideal. So a dog under 100lbs. A big dog above 130lbs, while bad news for a hog, is going to have a very difficult time subjugating a bull and will most likely be killed. I feel the hog is better at killing and causing catastrophic injuries than the bull, it can follow through with that more, so I place it slightly above the bull. That can change, though.

Puma - A fairly dramatic demotion from the hog and bull, but an adult cat can tear up dogs pretty good. If it's big enough, it can grapple down and kill them and if the puma is powerful enough to achieve this, it's actually more dangerous than the hog. Luckily pumas don't weigh as much as hogs and are more comparable to the dogs in size.

Guanaco - Also a fairly dramatic demotion, not very dangerous but they can slip dogs with their long necks sometimes. Hard to catch, hard to maintain, but ultimately not hard to take out. It's all fleeing and outrunning. The dogs used to hunt guanaco are faster and more nimble.

Red Deer Stag - Similar to the guanaco, but less fighter inclination. Its large size makes it more of an undertaking to bring down but it's of little danger to the dogs attacking it.

Does and the other deer species - Easy money pretty much, it's the speed that's the problem.

South Africa
African Leopard - Extremely hard to hunt, which is why they don't hunt them. These people mostly have access to greyhounds and street dogs so a leopard would tear them up, and make them bail and refrain from engaging.

Bushpig/Hog - Same as before.

Red River Hog - Inferior since it's usually a little smaller.

Warthog - Powerful and durable in its own right but inferior to true hogs and the "cheetah" of swine. This does however make them very fast so from time to time a dog will die.

Baboon - Will probably kill a dog that doesn't know what it's doing, but dogs who are aware of how to tackle baboons (and might be inferior at warthogs and everything else) will win and it won't even be that hard. Sometimes by the time they're done harassing and picking at the baboon its arms and legs are torn to shreds causing them to "malfunction". Then the dog attacks. For some dogs. a solid bite to the neck or head and shutting a baboon's lights out ASAP is best to avoid being tore up by the baboon's limbs.

Kudu and other big powerful antelope - A difficult undertaking, dogs are normally at a minimal risk though.

Brown Hyena - Similar, their offense is not good. They take air swings. The dogs grab them by the head and they can't do anything. More durable so the fight can last a long time, maybe make some dogs yelp here and there, but overall just not a hard fight, just a hard kill.

Jackal - Easy money but they have teeth and know how to use them.

Aardwolf - Can't do much like the brown hyena, different is they're tiny and even if they did in fact do something it would amount to nothing. Wouldn't even get a yelp or any acknowledgement. Dogs grab them and rip them to pieces, it doesn't look much better than a video of 2 african wild dogs playing tug of war with a rabbit.

Caracal - Easier money but they have teeth and claws and kind of know how to use them.

Small antelope - Practically defenseless.

Porcupine/Constrictor Snake - Environmental hazards, a good dog will have a very easy time. A bad dog will have a very bad time.

I'd put wild cattle above boars tbh. For hard luggers, they are easier to evade for curs (even very rough curs), but for hard luggers I think they are harder to lug and more dangerous/hazardous. Especially on average. There are some individual boars that are very weirdly good at killing (and they're usually not even the big ones), maybe they are arguably slightly more dangerous at quickly and efficiently, spitefully, killing dogs. But I think even then a very mean spanish bull would have something to say, and then on average cattle are definitely worse. Non-special cattle will even accidentally maim and kill dogs, from what I have heard (the breeder of boss hunted them for decades with pitbulls and pitbullmastiffs). It's a more hazardous "sport" I think for sure.

And then it might get even worse with cape buffalos, and maybe bison as well (possibly harder to subdue but maybe less deadly than an iberian). Big Bovines are the peak I think. But boar are definitely next. Big 3 are Bovines, Boars and bears.
Excluding of course "the impossibles"; Elephants, rhinos and hippos (two weird cases of elephant capture not withstanding) and dare I say Lions and Tigers. And I guess giraffes? A giraffe would have to fuck up badly by gettings it's head low enough. It's probably impossible.

A moose is almost giraffe-esque in some of the difficulties faced. Not sure about it.

I think kudus and elands and the like, large heavy antelopes, I actually think they aren't a problem. Like below-average normal cattle.

Tapirs are a curve ball and a dark horse. They might just be neck and neck with boars. Not really sure about them either.

Horses and Camels are both pretty deadly. I might say horses, camels and tapirs are all in a "surprisingly fighty category" that is pretty much level with boars, below only a small percentage of boars and above most.

I wonder where jaguars should rank? They could be up with the impossibles or barely above pumas, I'm not too sure.

At some point leopards come in, for me slightly above pumas, but it could just be all hype testimonies. I do think those 2 are very close.

Then maybe wolves, and then elk. Pressumable spotted hyenas might be here? Unknown.

Then guanaco and red deer, maybe a few more largish antelopes are around here too. I think striped and brown hyenas are here as well. Striped SLIGHTLY above brown.

Then a whole bunch of lesser deer and antelopes, and I would put coyotes and badgers here also. Otters might be here too. Peccaries/javelina as well. And kangaroos, and ratites. And goats and wild sheep.

I'd put a civet just below this, and along side many small cats. And jackals.

Then I think we get down into wallabies and small weird dwarf deer and antelopes. And agoutis and pacas and those sorts of things.

Then hares and jackrabbits.

Then regular rabbits.

Finally rats and mice.

Let me know what I missed.

If we included bailers in conjunction with seizers I believe a small jaguar is doable. Like, if you had a really good Alano Espanol and allowed a few curs (or one?) to harass and tire a Mexican jaguar and then sent in the Alano (maybe a Dogo with puma experience would be better?) I definitely wouldn't call it impossible.
In most other scenarios I'd rank it amongst the impossibles.

I might have made an "error" with the leopard for South Africa. I was taking into account Boergreyhounds and Maritsanes, but Boerboels could come into play too as I've seen them also accompanying Boergreys/Maritsanes/street dogs and change the dynamic. I know 2 Boerboel x Pit mixes killed a leopard cornered in a goat shed, granted they did need a fair bit of vet attention. Still not sure if I should change it a bit though... What do you think? 

[Hardcastle]

Jun 16, 2023 0:18:39 GMT Bolushi said:

Jun 15, 2023 12:30:39 GMT Hardcastle said:

Oh yeah, left out warthogs...
Would wolf level be too high?

What do you mean?

By wolf level, I mean as tough for hunting dogs to hunt as wolves.

Can be hunted with greyhounds, realistically 1 on 1 you'd want more of a wolfhound. I think elk and wolves and warthogs are probably in this "tier".

[Hardcastle]

Leopards might be genuinely too dangerous for the normal greyhounds the guys in africa are mostly using, even in a pack. I think when those guy balk at leopards that is what they have in mind. Greyhounds are kind of their bread and butter, the rest are kind of "niche" and probably don't automatically spring to mind.

I don't believe for a second those steekhars/maritsane etc types couldn't hunt leopards even in a pack? Thats definitely not right.

Remember 2 x wolfhounds and 2 x bloodhounds shut down a savage tiger.


If something is just "very hazardous, but still perfectly doable" there are hunters who will characterise it as "impossible" just because they feel its wreckless and wouldn't be worth their trouble in their opinion. We see that all over the "biggamehoundsmen" forum with guys acting like dogs can't even catch pigs without dying, which is ofcourse untrue, but that is what they think because it is beyond the level of risk they are comfortable with.

[Bolushi]

lycaon
You're probably the most knowledgeable here about terriers so... it's best you make a list for the terriers. I also don't know all the quarry they're involved with.