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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 20:05:46 GMT
African-Americans pose with shells - "happy easter Hitler" 1940s  Milkman walks through streets during London Blitz 1940  Native American with tamed wolf 18-1900s  Bride leaves recently bombed house to go to wedding 1940s  Charlie Chaplin speaking to deaf-blind author Hellen Keller 1919  Soldier returns to daughter after WWII  Lolipop man stops cars to let cat pass 1920s  Kangaroo punches annoying photographer 1960s  Last known image of the Titanic 1912  Cowboy in colour 1940s  D-Day 1914  Mum and son jump out of burning building 1920s  Friends listen to the radio 1921  |
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Post by Wyatt on Jun 2, 2023 20:53:38 GMT
African-Americans pose with shells - "happy easter Hitler" 1940s Milkman walks through streets during London Blitz 1940 Native American with tamed wolf 1900s Bride leaves recently bombed house to go to wedding 1940s Charlie Chaplin speaking to deaf-blind author Hellen Keller 1919 Soldier returns to daughter after WWII Lolipop man stops cars to let cat pass 1920s Kangaroo punches annoying photographer 1960s Last known image of the Titanic 1912 Cowboy in colour 1940s D-Day 1914 Mum and son jump out of burning building 1920s Friends listen to the radio 1921 The Native American with the tamed wolf gives me questions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 20:59:48 GMT
African-Americans pose with shells - "happy easter Hitler" 1940s Milkman walks through streets during London Blitz 1940 Native American with tamed wolf 1900s Bride leaves recently bombed house to go to wedding 1940s Charlie Chaplin speaking to deaf-blind author Hellen Keller 1919 Soldier returns to daughter after WWII Lolipop man stops cars to let cat pass 1920s Kangaroo punches annoying photographer 1960s Last known image of the Titanic 1912 Cowboy in colour 1940s D-Day 1914 Mum and son jump out of burning building 1920s Friends listen to the radio 1921 The Native American with the tamed wolf gives me questions. Go on. |
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Post by Wyatt on Jun 2, 2023 23:36:06 GMT
The Native American with the tamed wolf gives me questions. Go on. I find it interesting how these early wolves looked. They looked like pariah dogs, except with way more fur and upturned ears, and maybe a bit taller. Whereas now pariah dogs are floppy-eared and their fur is dependent on where they are at and what their genetics are. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 3, 2023 0:48:16 GMT
I'd say that's likely a wolf dog, and shouldn't be thought of as being common place pre-european colonisation. In the late 1800s early 1900s white guys were messing around with wolf dogs as well, and this indian likely acquired one of those. The real dogs that natives had before Europeans would have been much smaller pariahs. Wolf-dogs wouldn't have been a thing, or I should say much more likely to end up wild animals than be the pets of natives. The wild wolf population in north america has dog DNA, native american dogs actually don't have recent wolf DNA. They've speculated they would and tested it time and time again, looking for independent wolf-domestication that occurred in north america, and it just didn't. All the dogs in America descend from eurasian wolves.
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Post by Wyatt on Jun 3, 2023 0:56:47 GMT
I'd say that's likely a wolf dog, and shouldn't be thought of as being common place pre-european colonisation. In the late 1800s early 1900s white guys were messing around with wolf dogs as well, and this indian likely acquired one of those. The real dogs that natives had before Europeans would have been much smaller pariahs. Wolf-dogs wouldn't have been a thing, or I should say much more likely to end up wild animals than be the pets of natives. The wild wolf population in north america has dog DNA, native american dogs actually don't have recent wolf DNA. They've speculated they would and tested it time and time again, looking for independent wolf-domestication that occurred in north america, and it just didn't. All the dogs in America descend from eurasian wolves. To be fair, you’re right that it shouldn’t say this is where wolves were domesticated. But I will still say that Native Americans did have a preference for “wolfy looking” domestic dogs as opposed to the standard domestic dog. Thats why many dogs, like the Native American Indian Dog and Carolina Dog ended up looking extremely similar to wolves. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 3, 2023 1:31:52 GMT
I personally think "the native american indian dog" is a scam, modern white people breeding dogs to look like wolves (maybe using wolf admixture) to represent the idea of native americans living with tame wolves. An idea they find romantic/appealing. I'm sure DNA testing would prove these are mutts mixed up probably in the 1990s or something-   I don't think it's real. I think there were two waves of dog into the americas, the carolina dog is the best representative of what the first dog in america was-  They would have come over around 14 000 years ago with the first people. Then around 9000 years ago sled-pulling spitz came over.  The carolina dog spread all around north america and south america, and some strains even mutated in the meso-american civilisations into things like the Xoloitzcuintle  As well as various other dogs which are mostly extinct. Basically I don't believe native americans had "wolf like" dogs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 7:48:48 GMT
It was actually taken around or before 1850 apparently. Sheesh. Long time ago.  |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 3, 2023 9:02:22 GMT
It was actually taken around or before 1850 apparently. Sheesh. Long time ago. I can maybe believe the date (maybe), the rest of that is BS. All totally disproven. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Jun 3, 2023 20:31:48 GMT
African-Americans pose with shells - "happy easter Hitler" 1940s Milkman walks through streets during London Blitz 1940 Native American with tamed wolf 18-1900s Bride leaves recently bombed house to go to wedding 1940s Charlie Chaplin speaking to deaf-blind author Hellen Keller 1919 Soldier returns to daughter after WWII Lolipop man stops cars to let cat pass 1920s Kangaroo punches annoying photographer 1960s Last known image of the Titanic 1912 Cowboy in colour 1940s D-Day 1914 Mum and son jump out of burning building 1920s Friends listen to the radio 1921 The woman and son jumping out of the burning building was actually a woman jumping out with her goddaughter in 1975. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Escape_CollapseThis was an important photo, so I am surpised at some of the wrong info out there for this incident. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 20:33:03 GMT
African-Americans pose with shells - "happy easter Hitler" 1940s Milkman walks through streets during London Blitz 1940 Native American with tamed wolf 18-1900s Bride leaves recently bombed house to go to wedding 1940s Charlie Chaplin speaking to deaf-blind author Hellen Keller 1919 Soldier returns to daughter after WWII Lolipop man stops cars to let cat pass 1920s Kangaroo punches annoying photographer 1960s Last known image of the Titanic 1912 Cowboy in colour 1940s D-Day 1914 Mum and son jump out of burning building 1920s Friends listen to the radio 1921 The woman and son jumping out of the burning building was actually a woman jumping out with her goddaughter in 1975. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Escape_CollapseThis was an important photo, so I am surpised at some of the wrong info out there for this incident. What makes it important? |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Jun 3, 2023 20:44:57 GMT
The woman and son jumping out of the burning building was actually a woman jumping out with her goddaughter in 1975. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Escape_CollapseThis was an important photo, so I am surpised at some of the wrong info out there for this incident. What makes it important? It was considered the World Press Photo of the year. |
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