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Post by Hardcastle on May 31, 2023 0:58:41 GMT
Going to Yellowstone in about a week. Going to do some wolf watching. And Bison are basically everywhere in Yellowstone, last year when I went seen them everywhere. I also think when considering this topic we should look at diversity vs density. For instance, Yellowstone, northern Idaho, and Montana, seem to be some of the more untouched and dense for wildlife(in USA). Decent versatility too(wolves, coyotes, raccoons, elk, moose, bison, deer, cougars, black bears, grizzly bears, badger, Wolverine, otters etc). Honestly out of the states I would say California is the most diverse. Alaska and northern Idaho are supposed to be the most wild, natural, and most wildlife out of US land. I agree with Hardcastle, I would have guessed Africa too. But that makes sense why Asia would be number one, basically has everything… the land mass and geography helps with the diversity. Canada has lots of untouched land and plenty of wildlife too. But there really isn’t a province that has everything when it comes to versatility. Montana or Idaho would have many more different species of wildlife imo. And also Canada has some really shitty dog hunting laws to top it off… lol Canada might be even worse than the UK at hunting with dogs laws. Fuck, it would be 100x better if there were NO hunting laws at all. Cali in the USA is next up too. I think there should be trapping, baiting/poisoning and netting etc laws. Maybe even automatic weapon laws. The most legal thing should be dogs, because the prey animals are adapted to fending off predators of that nature, those who fail deserve to die, and the best will prevail and survive. |
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Post by Musth on May 31, 2023 1:19:58 GMT
Going to Yellowstone in about a week. Going to do some wolf watching. And Bison are basically everywhere in Yellowstone, last year when I went seen them everywhere. I also think when considering this topic we should look at diversity vs density. For instance, Yellowstone, northern Idaho, and Montana, seem to be some of the more untouched and dense for wildlife(in USA). Decent versatility too(wolves, coyotes, raccoons, elk, moose, bison, deer, cougars, black bears, grizzly bears, badger, Wolverine, otters etc). Honestly out of the states I would say California is the most diverse. Alaska and northern Idaho are supposed to be the most wild, natural, and most wildlife out of US land. I agree with Hardcastle, I would have guessed Africa too. But that makes sense why Asia would be number one, basically has everything… the land mass and geography helps with the diversity. Canada has lots of untouched land and plenty of wildlife too. But there really isn’t a province that has everything when it comes to versatility. Montana or Idaho would have many more different species of wildlife imo. And also Canada has some really shitty dog hunting laws to top it off… lol Canada might be even worse than the UK at hunting with dogs laws. Fuck, it would be 100x better if there were NO hunting laws at all. Cali in the USA is next up too. At least in Cali you can hunt with dogs. Wild Boar, Coyote, Racoon, bobcat are decent quarry to work depending on the dog. In Alberta for instance, you are allowed bird dogs, cougar, rabbit(and technically no laws for badger or fox). Coyote, bear, all the ungulates are off limits despite being the most conservative and redneck province of Canada. Also there seemed to be zero working dog culture in Alberta, basically only LGD are only “working” dogs I see and ppd/sport/law enforcement dogs. I have seen one houndsmen in all my life for cougar. So yeah you have badger, fox and cougar,for quarry that will give any test to dogs. And I’m sure in the UK there is much more density for fox and badgers it seems. Alberta used to allow coyote hunting with dogs. But a news reporter tagged around for a hunt in 2001 and apparently bad press covered the subject and weeks later it was outlawed. Ontario seems to be the best for dog hunting ironically they are one of the most liberal states. Coyote, Racoon, bear, and even deer. British Columbia is decent too, lynx, bear, cougar, bobcat. No raccoons in the province. And also what ever anyone tells you there is ZERO wild boar in Canada at all. Only the odd pig that escapes the farm(and that’s very rare). Then after those two provinces all the Maritime provinces you’re allowed and can hunt Racoon and bobcat and Im pretty sure that’s it. It might seem like a lot of quarry but it’s not. Fox is rare in alberta, badger is somewhat common. No raccoons or wildboar in alberta. Coyotes are off limits. Same with most other provinces. Maratimes has only bobcat and Racoon to hunt. Ontario and BC are the only decent places to hunt with dogs in Canada it seems. Been trying to research if dig hunting is allowed in Yukon, Nunavut, and Northwest Territories. And nothing comes up on the subject other than mentioning of sled dogs. |
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Post by Musth on May 31, 2023 1:26:29 GMT
I think another point for Canada vs UK, is there is zero hunting dog culture in Canada asides from Ontario and parts of BC. (And the odd “houndsmen” in Alberta). In the UK there is. Awhile culture based to work/hunt dogs.
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Post by Bolushi on May 31, 2023 1:31:43 GMT
Canada might be even worse than the UK at hunting with dogs laws. Fuck, it would be 100x better if there were NO hunting laws at all. Cali in the USA is next up too. At least in Cali you can hunt with dogs. Wild Boar, Coyote, Racoon, bobcat are decent quarry to work depending on the dog. In Alberta for instance, you are allowed bird dogs, cougar, rabbit(and technically no laws for badger or fox). Coyote, bear, all the ungulates are off limits despite being the most conservative and redneck province of Canada. Also there seemed to be zero working dog culture in Alberta, basically only LGD are only “working” dogs I see and ppd/sport/law enforcement dogs. I have seen one houndsmen in all my life for cougar. So yeah you have badger, fox and cougar,for quarry that will give any test to dogs. And I’m sure in the UK there is much more density for fox and badgers it seems. Alberta used to allow coyote hunting with dogs. But a news reporter tagged around for a hunt in 2001 and apparently bad press covered the subject and weeks later it was outlawed. Ontario seems to be the best for dog hunting ironically they are one of the most liberal states. Coyote, Racoon, bear, and even deer. British Columbia is decent too, lynx, bear, cougar, bobcat. No raccoons in the province. And also what ever anyone tells you there is ZERO wild boar in Canada at all. Only the odd pig that escapes the farm(and that’s very rare). Then after those two provinces all the Maritime provinces you’re allowed and can hunt Racoon and bobcat and Im pretty sure that’s it. It might seem like a lot of quarry but it’s not. Fox is rare in alberta, badger is somewhat common. No raccoons or wildboar in alberta. Coyotes are off limits. Same with most other provinces. Maratimes has only bobcat and Racoon to hunt. Ontario and BC are the only decent places to hunt with dogs in Canada it seems. Been trying to research if dig hunting is allowed in Yukon, Nunavut, and Northwest Territories. And nothing comes up on the subject other than mentioning of sled dogs. Where is that one guy named Brad Anderson based? Has to go down to Texas for hog dogging with his Dogos. |
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Post by Musth on May 31, 2023 1:39:01 GMT
At least in Cali you can hunt with dogs. Wild Boar, Coyote, Racoon, bobcat are decent quarry to work depending on the dog. In Alberta for instance, you are allowed bird dogs, cougar, rabbit(and technically no laws for badger or fox). Coyote, bear, all the ungulates are off limits despite being the most conservative and redneck province of Canada. Also there seemed to be zero working dog culture in Alberta, basically only LGD are only “working” dogs I see and ppd/sport/law enforcement dogs. I have seen one houndsmen in all my life for cougar. So yeah you have badger, fox and cougar,for quarry that will give any test to dogs. And I’m sure in the UK there is much more density for fox and badgers it seems. Alberta used to allow coyote hunting with dogs. But a news reporter tagged around for a hunt in 2001 and apparently bad press covered the subject and weeks later it was outlawed. Ontario seems to be the best for dog hunting ironically they are one of the most liberal states. Coyote, Racoon, bear, and even deer. British Columbia is decent too, lynx, bear, cougar, bobcat. No raccoons in the province. And also what ever anyone tells you there is ZERO wild boar in Canada at all. Only the odd pig that escapes the farm(and that’s very rare). Then after those two provinces all the Maritime provinces you’re allowed and can hunt Racoon and bobcat and Im pretty sure that’s it. It might seem like a lot of quarry but it’s not. Fox is rare in alberta, badger is somewhat common. No raccoons or wildboar in alberta. Coyotes are off limits. Same with most other provinces. Maratimes has only bobcat and Racoon to hunt. Ontario and BC are the only decent places to hunt with dogs in Canada it seems. Been trying to research if dig hunting is allowed in Yukon, Nunavut, and Northwest Territories. And nothing comes up on the subject other than mentioning of sled dogs. Where is that one guy named Brad Anderson based? Has to go down to Texas for hog dogging with his Dogos. Colorado I think. He used to hunt his with the laika on cougar. Colorado from my research isn’t the greatest place to hunt dogs either(law wise). Although I think he moved again to New Mexico (or could be visa versa). New Mexico seems to be pretty good for dog hunting. |
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Post by Methane on May 31, 2023 2:20:54 GMT
Yeah. Texas is actually a great state since you get many of these animals as well as animals from the Southeast of the US. This assortment includes alligator, alligator snapping turtle, and many of the coastal fauna of the sea. That being said, you should go to Yellowstone since the park is considered the 'American Serengeti', and the bison are longtime residents as opposed to the reintroduced bison in the other national parks. Are all the others reintroduced? I know Bison did naturally range from Alaska to Mexico, so I thought many of the scattered populations would be "remnant" rather than introduced. Both Canada and the U.S are rolling out plans to reintroduce bison to states where they'd gone extinct. It's fantastic for the environment since they end up reinvigorating ecosystems and their biodiversity wherever they roam.
Indigenous-led bison repopulation projects are helping the animal thrive again in AlbertaU.S. to restore more bison herds on tribal lands by tapping Indigenous knowledge
IMO, North America has potential to be a very strong place for wildlife. Like a healthier Europe with better support for megafauna. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 31, 2023 2:40:24 GMT
That's cool about the Bison.
I do love North American wilderness/wildlife BUT for some strange reason the deer don't excite me as much as Eurasian deer. I can't put my finger on why, it's just a feeling. If I ranked my favourite deer species from top to bottom all the bottom ones would unconsciously end up being American.
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Post by Methane on May 31, 2023 3:41:42 GMT
That's cool about the Bison. I do love North American wilderness/wildlife BUT for some strange reason the deer don't excite me as much as Eurasian deer. I can't put my finger on why, it's just a feeling. If I ranked my favourite deer species from top to bottom all the bottom ones would unconsciously end up being American. That's fair. Fallow and red deer are visually more striking than any of our native deer- the best North American deer in my opinion, the moose, also has a population in Europe. So no points for us there. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 31, 2023 4:48:51 GMT
Moose are clearly awesome, massive majestic monsters, but don't really "move" me and I don't understand why. Caribou/reindeer also do nothing at all for me (especially nothing). Elk even... I do think they are cool and they would be my favourite american deer, but they should be among my favourites of all deer being basically hulked out reds, and yet somehow the proportions are less aesthetically pleasing to my eye. Elk  Red  Don't know what it is, why the red looks so much better to me, but it does. Then we have white tailed deer-  and Mule deer -  VS Fallow  Sika  Axis-  Rusa-  Sambar-  Don't know if it's my imagination or what, but the eurasian deer are just all cooler IMO. The variety factor maybe helps, there are many more as well. One eurasian deer which I do think is gay is the Barasingha-  I don't know why, but feel like it sucks. Lol. I like Australia's suite of deer, I think we really lucked out - Red, Sambar, Rusa, Fallow, Axis, Hog deer. That's a clean 6. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 31, 2023 5:25:11 GMT
How about the continent of "Zealandia" -  They have the worst natives, but the best invasive animals. Alipine Chamois Himalayan Tahr Goat Horse Wild cattle Boar Elk Red Deer Sika Deer Rusa Deer Sambar Deer Fallow Deer White tail deer Wallaby Possum European Rabbit European Brown Hare Dog Cat Hedgehog Stoat Least Weasel European Polecat |
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Post by CoolJohnson on May 31, 2023 5:50:23 GMT
England lacks a bit in comparison to Continental Europe. There are no bears, lynxes, wolves, and wolverines. England also lacks large herbivores like moose or wisent. If we count the Russian part of the Caucasus Mountains, then there are also leopards. This includes both a remnant population and a reintroduced population. Hardcastle I do agree that Eurasian deer look cooler than North American deer. The fallow deer and axis deer look exotic in comparison to white tail and mule deer. The red deer and sambar look more majestic than elk. What are your opinions on the hangul, hog deer, Thorold's deer and musk deer? |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 31, 2023 6:46:43 GMT
I'm not that familiar with the Hangul and Thorold's, looking them up now, I would say the Hangul looks very cool, but the Thorold's looks like a nerd (kind of has Barasingha energy).
Hog deer are very cool IMO.
Musk deer are ok, I prefer Chinese Water Deer though.
Only just now did I learn that Musk deer technically aren't even deer. Weird.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2023 7:01:34 GMT
I'm not that familiar with the Hangul and Thorold's, looking them up now, I would say the Hangul looks very cool, but the Thorold's looks like a nerd (kind of has Barasingha energy). Hog deer are very cool IMO. Musk deer are ok, I prefer Chinese Water Deer though. Only just now did I learn that Musk deer technically aren't even deer. Weird. You get a few deer here. Scottish red deer, roe deer, fallow deer, sika deer, Reeves's muntjac, and Chinese water deer. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 31, 2023 7:06:37 GMT
Interestingly the Roe deer is a new world deer, even though it only lives in Eurasia, it migrated over and then went extinct in the Americas. This is also true for the Chinese water deer.
Conversely the Elk is an old world deer.
The fallow is the closest living relative of the extinct irish elk.
Which of the dwarf deer would you guys say is coolest? Roe, Brocket, Muntjac or Hog?
For me it's Hog, but Muntjac are also weird and interesting. Apparently the most primitive deer.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 31, 2023 7:12:45 GMT
I'm not that familiar with the Hangul and Thorold's, looking them up now, I would say the Hangul looks very cool, but the Thorold's looks like a nerd (kind of has Barasingha energy). Hog deer are very cool IMO. Musk deer are ok, I prefer Chinese Water Deer though. Only just now did I learn that Musk deer technically aren't even deer. Weird. You get a few deer here. Scottish red deer, roe deer, fallow deer, sika deer, Reeves's muntjac, and Chinese water deer. Yeah it's interesting that Britain and Australia both have 6 deer species. If I was jealous of one from the UK it would be the Sika, but not sure I'd trade it for any of the 6 we have. Maybe Sambar I guess. |
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