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Post by ophio on May 18, 2023 14:57:05 GMT
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 15:23:48 GMT
Martial eagle is arguably one of the baddest birds of prey with some of the most impressive prey species taken. Martial eagle, African Crowned eagle, Harpy eagle and Phillipine eagle are frankly a level above the rest IMO and a martial would overpower a golden eagle if they somehow locked up.
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Post by ophio on May 18, 2023 15:28:43 GMT
Martial eagle is arguably one of the baddest birds of prey with some of the most impressive prey species taken. Martial eagle, African Crowned eagle, Harpy eagle and Phillipine eagle are frankly a level above the rest IMO and a martial would overpower a golden eagle if they somehow locked up. What sort of prey. Outside of monitor lizards golden eagles have probably taken equivalent. Nvm golden eagles and other Aquila eagles have taken monitor lizards too |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 15:33:19 GMT
Martial eagle is arguably one of the baddest birds of prey with some of the most impressive prey species taken. Martial eagle, African Crowned eagle, Harpy eagle and Phillipine eagle are frankly a level above the rest IMO and a martial would overpower a golden eagle if they somehow locked up. What sort of prey. Outside of monitor lizards golden eagles have probably taken equivalent. Nvm golden eagles and other Aquila eagles have taken monitor lizards too Martial eagles kill hooved ungulates more than any other bird of prey. |
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Post by ophio on May 18, 2023 15:41:50 GMT
What sort of prey. Outside of monitor lizards golden eagles have probably taken equivalent. Nvm golden eagles and other Aquila eagles have taken monitor lizards too Martial eagles kill hooved ungulates more than any other bird of prey. From a quick Wikipedia search the mean prey of the martial eagle is either 2 lbs or 5 lbs depending on location and for the golden eagle it's 3.5 lbs in North America and 6 lbs in mongolia where golden eagles are larger. Golden eagles have killed the largest prey on record and have also been recorded to take Eurasian lynx, bobcat, coyote, American, and Eurasian badger which are more dangerous than ungulates imo. Martial eagles have taken young warthogs, jackals and caracal so it evens out although golden eagle have been known to take piglets from wild boar |
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Post by ophio on May 18, 2023 15:50:35 GMT
What sort of prey. Outside of monitor lizards golden eagles have probably taken equivalent. Nvm golden eagles and other Aquila eagles have taken monitor lizards too Martial eagles kill hooved ungulates more than any other bird of prey. Of wild species of ungulate, deer are the preferred prey family. In a study in the Italian Alps, the most common prey species of all was the European roe deer (Capreolus capreolus), which made up 32.2% of nest remains.[66] The roe deer was also a prominent prey item in the French Pyrenees (14.9%) and Switzerland (14.6%), respectively.[33][91] In several parts of the Scottish Highlands, red deer (Cervus elaphus) are eaten with some regularity, the maximum representation there being 22.3% of prey remains in the Northwest Highlands.[10] In North America, several deer species, but mainly mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus) fawns, were significant in the diet in Washington (14.3%) and California (12.7%).[11][92] Around the Himalayas, the small white-bellied musk deer (Moschus leucogaster) is reportedly a favorite prey item (though no quantitative analysis are known).[80] In the near Arctic regions of Scandinavia, reindeer (Rangifer tarandus) of both semi-domestic and wild stock are fed on with some regularity; one study in northern Sweden found reindeer formed 11.4% of prey items.[71] In the northernmost stretches of Alaska, golden eagles are more scarce than in equivalent areas of Scandinavia and only occasionally hunt wild reindeer.[93] However, golden eagles were reportedly the most prolific predator of neonatal calves from the Porcupine caribou (Rangifer tarandus granti) herd of central Alaska.[94] Partial moose (Alces alces) remains have been found at a nest in Sweden.[72] Live fawns and carrion probably comprise most of the golden eagle's consumption of deer (certainly in larger-bodied species such as red deer). Among wild bovids, eagles are reportedly the main predator of Saiga antelope (Saiga tatarica) calves in Mongolia and are regularly reported to take chamois (Rupicapra rupicapra) and Alpine ibex (Capra ibex) calves in Europe.[95][96][97] Mongolian gazelles (Procapra gutturosa) comprised about 15% of the remains found at a nest in Mongolia.[36] Up to seven wild species of goat, five other wild species of sheep and at least two wild gazelle species are confirmed golden eagle prey.[10] In North America, pronghorn (Antilocapra americana) are occasionally hunted.[22] |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 16:33:34 GMT
Golden Eagles are great man. You get them in Scotland and they've been known to take Red Deer.
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Post by Bolushi on May 21, 2023 4:57:38 GMT
Golden Eagles are great man. You get them in Scotland and they've been known to take Red Deer. Sent from my SM-A105FN using Tapatalk In your dreamie dreamoes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 7:16:25 GMT
Golden Eagles are great man. You get them in Scotland and they've been known to take Red Deer. Sent from my SM-A105FN using Tapatalk In your dreamie dreamoes. -  Sent from my SM-A105FN using Tapatalk |
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Post by Bolushi on May 21, 2023 11:50:28 GMT
In your dreamie dreamoes. - Sent from my SM-A105FN using Tapatalk What did it do? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 17:07:36 GMT
The goldie is winning here. They have taken seals (very weird I know), ungulates, coyotes, and badgers and etc. etc. A golden eagle would also take a Philippine and harpy eagle at parity. Especially the huge bruiser ones from Mongolia, Iran and etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 17:10:55 GMT
Martial eagle is arguably one of the baddest birds of prey with some of the most impressive prey species taken. Martial eagle, African Crowned eagle, Harpy eagle and Phillipine eagle are frankly a level above the rest IMO and a martial would overpower a golden eagle if they somehow locked up. I do not agree with this. For one, whilst I do agree that crowned eagles may be superior to golden eagles at parity, the goldie's size advantage makes up for it. Harpy and Philippine eagles are strong and have larger talons yes, but this is purely because they themselves are larger eagles. And not by much. An Asian golden eagle would definitely give both of these raptors a run for their money, they lack the experience with fighting other raptors that golden eagles have (they have dominated Steller's sea eagles, relatively unimpressive but still the largest eagle). |
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 28, 2023 17:37:36 GMT
Interesting take.
I feel like I hold the "golden" eagles (including the golden eagle, wedge tailed, verreaux's, bonelli, imperial, etc) in their appropriate place, I do elevate them above many eagles, but there's a handful of "super eagles" I put above them I think for good reason. The haast's eagle would have obviously been an exception, it was from this golden eagle group but 6 kgs heavier than a harpy. I do believe it is the most epic eagle ever, but of the extant eagles I think the harpy, phillipine, martial eagle and african crowned are kind of proportionately OP'd in comparison. Also the extinct "Gaff's eagle" from Australia, which was a relative of the harpy and Philippine eagle but bigger than both. I think this group are specialised for hunting larger unusual prey, even though yes, golden eagles have some crazy feats on some big prey, the talon power of these other eagles is I think indicative of an evolution towards focusing on bigger prey as their "norm".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 12:30:13 GMT
Pretty cool:
"HawkQuest, an environmental education nonprofit in Colorado, measured the power grip of the bald eagle, finding a psi measurement of up to 400."
"Whilst harpy eagles have a 503-598 psi. Golden eagles have a 400-791 psi."
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Post by oldgreengrolar on Sept 19, 2023 3:03:00 GMT
@hardcastle do you remember Poison1981? He told me years ago that falconers consider martial eagles to be the more powerful bird pound to pound. I am not sure though.
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