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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 6:06:09 GMT
Also I think the cougar screws my Boergrey. R.I.P I actually don't know what my favourite land animal is lol...probably either the Eastern or Western lowland gorilla. |
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 5, 2023 6:07:47 GMT
Also I think the cougar screws my Boergrey. R.I.P I actually don't know what my favourite land animal is lol...probably either the Eastern or Western lowland gorilla. You really about to drop my Boergrey to 3rd place? I was hoping I could make amends and call it a draw and have the wolf and boergrey tied, fuck you. Lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 6:14:51 GMT
I actually don't know what my favourite land animal is lol...probably either the Eastern or Western lowland gorilla. You really about to drop my Boergrey to 3rd place? I was hoping I could make amends and call it a draw and have the wolf and boergrey tied, fuck you. Lol. I wouldn't mind switching to something on par with the cougar so we could actually have a debate going on...but then I wouldn't be choosing my favourite animal. (I mean I guess Western lowland gorilla vs NA cougar could be a debate? Maybe some of the cat fans here could stir up an argument to support the cougar? I don't know) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 6:24:12 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 5, 2023 6:27:18 GMT
You really about to drop my Boergrey to 3rd place? I was hoping I could make amends and call it a draw and have the wolf and boergrey tied, fuck you. Lol. I wouldn't mind switching to something on par with the cougar so we could actually have a debate going on...but then I wouldn't be choosing my favourite animal. (I mean I guess Western lowland gorilla vs NA cougar could be a debate? Maybe some of the cat fans here could stir up an argument to support the cougar? I don't know) Male cougars average 120-130lbs, they can get bigger than that and semi-regularly do but that's their average. IIRC no gorilla species goes lower than 300lbs for the silverbacks and are more 350-400lbs. The forest leopards that go after gorillas are 150-200lbs. So I don't even think Andres or Supercat would support the cougar. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 6:33:08 GMT
I wouldn't mind switching to something on par with the cougar so we could actually have a debate going on...but then I wouldn't be choosing my favourite animal. (I mean I guess Western lowland gorilla vs NA cougar could be a debate? Maybe some of the cat fans here could stir up an argument to support the cougar? I don't know) Male cougars average 120-130lbs, they can get bigger than that and semi-regularly do but that's their average. IIRC no gorilla species goes lower than 300lbs for the silverbacks and are more 350-400lbs. The forest leopards that go after gorillas are 150-200lbs. So I don't even think Andres or Supercat would support the cougar. Male cougars average 100 to 160 lbs, if you give ranges give full ranges. The smallest ones on average will be 100 lbs, the biggest ones average 150 - 160 lbs |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 6:33:31 GMT
Leopard. Always has been always will be |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 6:35:36 GMT
Leopard. Always has been always will be Which leopard? And do you think your leopard beats out the cougar? |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 6:37:52 GMT
Favorite canid obviously German shepherd tied with AMERICAN wolfdog,the only dog that deserves to be called wolf dog imo. Saarlos and Czech ones look like german shepherds with wolf color.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 6:38:42 GMT
Leopard. Always has been always will be Which leopard? And do you think your leopard beats out the cougar? African and Persian, I think leopard and cougar is 50/50. In body they are identical, leopard has definitely a bigger skull and bigger neck though |
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 5, 2023 6:48:20 GMT
Male cougars average 120-130lbs, they can get bigger than that and semi-regularly do but that's their average. IIRC no gorilla species goes lower than 300lbs for the silverbacks and are more 350-400lbs. The forest leopards that go after gorillas are 150-200lbs. So I don't even think Andres or Supercat would support the cougar. Male cougars average 100 to 160 lbs, if you give ranges give full ranges. The smallest ones on average will be 100 lbs, the biggest ones average 150 - 160 lbs 160lbs?  This is the most flattering chart for cougar weight I have ever come across and it sets the average at 150lbs for Patagonian male cougars which may be the largest population ever. Everywhere else is 100-140lbs. E.g. -  "Female weight ranges between 34 and 48 kg (75 and 106 lb). The average weight of 13 adult male cougar from 2 study areas on Vancouver Island, was 55.5 kg and for 26 adult females it was 39.5 kg (Logan and Sweanor 2000)." linnet.geog.ubc.ca/efauna/Atlas/Atlas.aspx?sciname=Puma%20concolor&noTransfer=0Vast majority are in the 120-130lb range, 1-2 outlier populations do not poke holes in my statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 6:50:43 GMT
Which leopard? And do you think your leopard beats out the cougar? African and Persian Cool. My favourite is the Amur leopard. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 12:03:56 GMT
Male cougars average 100 to 160 lbs, if you give ranges give full ranges. The smallest ones on average will be 100 lbs, the biggest ones average 150 - 160 lbs 160lbs? This is the most flattering chart for cougar weight I have ever come across and it sets the average at 150lbs for Patagonian male cougars which may be the largest population ever. Everywhere else is 100-140lbs. E.g. - "Female weight ranges between 34 and 48 kg (75 and 106 lb). The average weight of 13 adult male cougar from 2 study areas on Vancouver Island, was 55.5 kg and for 26 adult females it was 39.5 kg (Logan and Sweanor 2000)." linnet.geog.ubc.ca/efauna/Atlas/Atlas.aspx?sciname=Puma%20concolor&noTransfer=0Vast majority are in the 120-130lb range, 1-2 outlier populations do not poke holes in my statement. Yep, patagonian ones here averaged even 167 lbs and rocky mountain ones here averaged 160 lbs.   There are also Alberta ones that are from the north and there's almost no data on them but that's also where the largest verified cougar of 230 lbs comes from, and they are in the north so they are basically very likely the same as Rocky mountain ones, around 155-160 lbs on average. Colorado cougars aswell. There's also the Washington state cougars, with only one weight available which 198 lbs, they are in the north near Canada so they will also probably average 150-160 lbs. Then there's British Columbia where most reported cases of cougars weighing between 190 and 211 lbs occured and Balam (Pantherine on Carnivora) guessestimated them to average mid to high 155s . Long story short, removing Florida panthers, Brazilian, equatorial cougars overlapping with jaguars, texas cougars, argentinian non patagonian cougars, mexican cougars and likely also Californian cougars, all the rest up north prey on the same type of preys ranging from Colorado to British Columbia, including in the south Patagonian cougars that not only prey on guanaco but also on feral horses. This prey size is enough, all of these will have dominant male cougars averaging between 150-160 lbs. The bigger the prey, the bigger the cat. The others mentioned before will be 100-130 lbs on average. I corrected you using 120 lbs as lowest average because I recall reading on Carnivora archive a collection of weights of cougars in Brazilian Cerrado touching barely between 90 and 100 lbs on average. So their lower limit is definitely 90-100 lbs and not 120 lbs. 120 lbs is actually the lowest average for jaguars, namely Mexican jaguars |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 6, 2023 12:51:49 GMT
Favorite canid obviously German shepherd tied with AMERICAN wolfdog,the only dog that deserves to be called wolf dog imo. Saarlos and Czech ones look like german shepherds with wolf color. That is interesting, we have different tastes. I really don't like what they call the "lupine" aesthetic. A wolfy look. So I don't really like wolves or german shepherds (or other continental herders) or spitz breeds or wolf dogs. It's just a visceral taste thing where the look of them doesn't appeal to me. I prefer a doggy look, whether short coat or scruffy "broken" or wirehaired coat. My top five would be as follows- - Boarhound aka Alaunt gentil aka bull lurcher, eg Bull Arab, Dogo Argentino, Bullstag, Bullygrey, Dogal, etc
- Wolfhound aka Celtic Hound "XL" eg- Maritsane, Steekhar, Irish Wolfhound, Galgo Patagonico, etc
- Staghound aka Celtic Hound "L" eg- Scottish Deerhound, Australian Staghound, American Staghound, Roo Dog, etc
- Warhound aka Alaunt Veantre aka colonial bloodhound eg- Cuban Bloodhound, Manilla Bloodhound, Ohalloran, Fila Brasileiro, Bully Kutta, etc
- Bandogge aka Alaunt Boucheries aka farm bulldog aka bullmastiff eg- Alano Espanol, Presa Canario, American Bulldog, Cane corso, etc
Note wolfhound and staghound are really just 2 different sizes of the same things. The galgo patagonico really tip toes the line between them. This is also true for Boarhound and Warhound. Warhounds are just big boarhounds. Another interesting thing is the dogo could almost fit into the bandogge category these days. Even though bull terriers are a category outside of these, I think the apbt could also be put in the bandogge category realistically. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 6, 2023 21:40:37 GMT
Favorite canid obviously German shepherd tied with AMERICAN wolfdog,the only dog that deserves to be called wolf dog imo. Saarlos and Czech ones look like german shepherds with wolf color. That is interesting, we have different tastes. I really don't like what they call the "lupine" aesthetic. A wolfy look. So I don't really like wolves or german shepherds (or other continental herders) or spitz breeds or wolf dogs. It's just a visceral taste thing where the look of them doesn't appeal to me. I prefer a doggy look, whether short coat or scruffy "broken" or wirehaired coat. My top five would be as follows- - Boarhound aka Alaunt gentil aka bull lurcher, eg Bull Arab, Dogo Argentino, Bullstag, Bullygrey, Dogal, etc
- Wolfhound aka Celtic Hound "XL" eg- Maritsane, Steekhar, Irish Wolfhound, Galgo Patagonico, etc
- Staghound aka Celtic Hound "L" eg- Scottish Deerhound, Australian Staghound, American Staghound, Roo Dog, etc
- Warhound aka Alaunt Veantre aka colonial bloodhound eg- Cuban Bloodhound, Manilla Bloodhound, Ohalloran, Fila Brasileiro, Bully Kutta, etc
- Bandogge aka Alaunt Boucheries aka farm bulldog aka bullmastiff eg- Alano Espanol, Presa Canario, American Bulldog, Cane corso, etc
Note wolfhound and staghound are really just 2 different sizes of the same things. The galgo patagonico really tip toes the line between them. This is also true for Boarhound and Warhound. Warhounds are just big boarhounds. Another interesting thing is the dogo could almost fit into the bandogge category these days. Even though bull terriers are a category outside of these, I think the apbt could also be put in the bandogge category realistically. Yea, we have different taste which must be related to the fact that we had an approach to animals in a total different manner. I've read a lot of what you wrote on CF, from them on I made up the idea that you've been a working dog man since childhood. Weren't you? It would make sense as Australia is one of the few places where working dog lifestyle is still very renowned. You probably have been through working dogs like Bull Arabs since as long as you can remember.
It's been different with me, since I was a kid I got bonded with nature (and wild animals as a rule, first among them leopards) and , later, with pets. I've "came in contact" with dogs for the first time thanks to my childhood best friend who unfortunately I have lost track of , it was a girl named Alessandra and she is a dog owner and also a dog trainer today as I've atleast heard of. She owned two Cavalier king Charles spaniel and another dog which was a cross with mongrels. The fact is that she would let me do with her promenades with her dogs in dog parks and that's also where I've met many other dog breeds, namely there was this woman with a Bernese mountain dog and a girl with a giant black poodle, that's all I can remember.
My friend also gifted me a lot of peluches I still preserve today of both wolves and dogs, as she was also a huge wolf lover (watched entire Twilight Saga with her) and she also infected me (infected in a good way, its a way of saying) with it. I can even say I started loving wolves more than leopards at start before owning my two cats and getting deeper into the felid world.
At the same time, I had a special friendship with the newsstand dog of my grandparents' city, Pablo, a labrador. He's been my biggest non human childhood best friend, sometimes I even considered him more of a friend than my actual human friends at that time and I've got only two pictures of him
 
I've loved a few other single animals as much as I've loved him, and since my grandad's been a very close friend with the owner of the newspaper magazine (Pablo's owner) he'd take me daily by him, and I was also allowed to walk him around. He was extremely well behaved, can you imagine a 6-7 yo kid walking alone all by himself a labrador that if he wanted he could pull me around like a soft doll. I only got a little anxious when Pablo saw in the distance that lady with exactly that giant black Poodle. He pointed at it, vigilant and firm, with a very low but clear growl. He didn't attack, but he was very nervous thay day when he saw that poodle. And I was alone with him so if he attacked the situation would have been basically:  The newsstand owner told me it was very weird that he didn't try to pull me to get closer to the poodle, because he's told me he's tried to start a fight each single time he crossed the path's with a dog he didn't like. Since then I've gotten to my head and I love telling people that I think he did it because "he knew I couldn't contain him and that he wanted to avoid hurting me by pulling me away". That's me daydreaming lol. At the same time, in my actual city (not far from my grandparents' one), I've got in contact with german sheperds because two rich people owning an enormous villa had two incredibly gorgeous german sheperds as guard dogs. Don't get me wrong, I've never got in a good relationship with them as with Pablo. All the meetings between me and them was me on the other side of the gate with them on the other side growling and barking ferociously as if they couldn't wait for me to stick my finger between the bars for them to sever my finger in two. They were the first wolf-like dogs I've seen in my life and since I was infected by my friend and I was basically a wolf lover, I fell in love with the breed, totally. I was obsessed with them just like you are with boarhounds, or just like Wyatt is with wolves. I've drawn many of them, I've got many peluches and toys of german sheperds and I've also loved watching movies where there were german sheperds. Sometimes I just watched movies whoose plot I didn't give a shit about, just watched them because there was a German shepherd. My favourite cinema dogs will in fact always be Samantha and Rex   The love I have for lupine breeds, namely only the German shepherd and the American Wolfdog is still the biggest as for my canid taste. I love working breeds, I love boarhounds and fighting gripping dogs. Dogos and apbts especially, but I'm very very based upon aesthetics aswell. I'm a gym guy so I should prefer function over looks, but I think there's no better thing than a mixture of both. This is why lupine breeds and gripping dogs occupy the top of the piramid kf my favourite canids' list, but as for my taste the lupine look is the best one there can be on a dog imo. I don't even know how to describe it, but when I look at them I feel a type of aesthetic that I'm unable to feel with any other dog breed. They just look too majestic and perfect aesthetically to me. I'm fascinated. The only two animals I almost compare to felines in terms of aesthetic perfection.    I've got into working dog World and working breeds very lately, basically as of 2020 when lockdown and covid ripped away my social life and I got more time to look on the net and on the tv about animals. This is how I met gripping dogs and boarhounds. And while I wasn't fascinated that much about their looks as with felids or lupine dogs(and I'll never be, I'll say that much, I think that cats, wolves and GSDs are too much above them in terms of aesthetic beauty but everyone has different tastes), I was fascinated by their builds and their function. I still remember the first pictures of dogo argentinos that actually impressed me and it was these two  This was also the period in which I started seeing greedy mastiff owners posting proudly their overbred fatass mastiffs and claiming the to be 200 lb functional dogs. I was aesthetically disgusted almost by seeing that abominion and I'll always heavily dislike these types of ruined dogs. As a gym guy who has Nature as spiritual guide and always says "Nature gave me muscles to use them, nature gave me a body to work it. Muscles are meant to be used, have a body ? FUCKING WORK IT" I started to feel an immense love and dedication for working breeds, especially working molossians like working dogos, working Boerboels, American Pitbull terriers. Learning and getting more and more into working dog world just gave me ultimately even a better idea of who I am. And I started and still identify myself as a working dog because I love working my body with hard work. I've been in cutting season after bulk season last year where I've started eating almost no food and the more I was hungry the more my will of training increased. I can tell you therefore by first hand experience that hunger increases "gameness". So long story short this is my view dog taste. Wolves and GSDs for elegance, beauty and looks. Working dogs for discipline, function and hard work. Attachments:
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