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Post by lincoln on Mar 6, 2023 18:31:38 GMT
Who wins?
I say it depends on the size difference, at equal weight the Jaguar wins
tiger wins at average weight
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Post by lincoln on Mar 6, 2023 18:32:27 GMT
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Post by Methane on Mar 7, 2023 23:17:03 GMT
The Sumatran tiger should generally take this fight- it has a 40-50 pound weight advantage over the jaguar on average, although I agree the jaguar should have an edge at parity.
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 7, 2023 23:34:56 GMT
75/25 in favor of the tiger. It has the reach advantage.
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 11, 2023 4:36:14 GMT
I think this matchup deserves much more attention than it is being given, and my one line response doesn't do this thread justice. So I'll stick my head out and do some research. Sumatran tigers seem to avoid tapir, but predate on boar and deer regularly along with goats and I've seen vague clues on cattle.  "When plotting the values indicating spatial and temporal overlap of tigers with potential prey species, wild boar and
sambar deer fell in the upper right quadrant, suggesting they
are potentially preferred prey. Tapirs were in the lower left
quadrant, indicating they were probably not preferred, and the other prey species were in the upper left (high temporal but low spatial overlap), indicating potential alternative prey." maxallen.inhs.illinois.edu/files/2021/05/Allen-2021-Tiger-Preferred-Prey.pdf"Sumatran tigers should focus on expending lower levels of energy searching for and then capturing larger bodied prey that present the least risk. Hence, surprisingly, there was little overlap between the crepuscular tiger and the largest-bodied prey species available, the nocturnal tapir Tapirus indicus (0.52, 0.44–0.60), suggesting that it is not a principal prey species." zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1469-7998.2011.00801.xIt appears that wild boar & deer are their main source of food, and they avoid tapirs... very strange. I am NOT going to hold lack of evidence against the Sumatran tiger, you guys can make of the data what you will, but here's jaguars for comparison:  ![]()   Which one do you guys think is more impressive? At average weights we are looking at a 220lb jaguar and 265lb Sumatran tiger. I believe these animals would be close at weight parity, but at average weights the Sumatran tiger should win with its weight advantage after a rough fight. Jaguars are good fighters for cats, tigers are about equal, but this tiger is larger and the jaguar's robusticity and bite advantage is quite slight. They cancel each other out a little however I believe a larger carnivore will generally win against a smaller one especially when parity is already debatable. In a natural encounter neither will kill the other since they're too tough for each other. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Mar 11, 2023 17:32:11 GMT
Tapir seem to be very difficult prey. I feel like I've seen something indicating Jaguar really don't like messing with them much either (though there are some cases).
I agree with people saying the jaguar seems like it would be too strong at parity. From what I have seen Jaguars also seem to be a relatively calm and composed cat, which is another big plus in my book, vs the more "ferocious" energy wasting tiger. Tiger is a more impressive athletes insofar as it's movement. In fact the sumatran in particular is a very impressive tiger and in some ways the most impressive IMO.
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