Spanish Fighting Bull vs Polar bear

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I feel like the bull would just headstomp the polar bear at like 40 mph and send it flying out of the arena.

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Dead bear. Zero shot.

[Hardcastle]

I'd give the polar bear a better shot than a kodiak, maybe by a lot. I feel like it can secure and subjugate and kill with more purpose. It may even do it quite easily, I'd like to see or hear about polar bears potentially targeting musk ox or something, not that a musk ox is fit to shine a spanish bull's ass but I'd just be curious to see how polar bears approach that task. I'm speculating based on walrus and small whales and etc but I think maybe polar bears could kill bovines in an impressive fashion and much more efficiently than a brown bear.

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Neat blobs of fat and blubber I could cut through with a piece of paper = thick rugged lion-proof skin.
Hardcastle Explain.

[Hardcastle]

I think you will find that's not an accurate portrayal of pinnipeds or cetaceans.

I'm not sure the polar bear can do it, but I just suspect maybe. It kills big animals frequently, and can move a lot better than a kodiak. I almost consider it more like a giant tiger than like a brown bear, in regards to killing ability, even though I know genetically (and in many ways) that's absurd. But just specifically in running over and tackling something down and killing it, it functionally isn't very bear-like.

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No. They evolved 10k years ago from grizzlies. They are basically the same and I fail to see what would trigger any key differences besides being a carnivore.

[Hardcastle]

Feb 13, 2023 2:29:42 GMT Bolushi said:

No. They evolved 10k years ago from grizzlies. They are basically the same and I fail to see what would trigger any key differences besides being a carnivore.

Bulldogs are separated from collies by only about 6000 years... genetic distance doesn't matter, lifestyle does, and polar bears took on a dramatically different new lifestyle that required regular killing of large behemoth beasts. That changed them.

[Methane]

If you want to take historical records into account, pitting grizzly bears against fighting bulls were documented to be very popular events way back in the history of California.

At the outset, the bear would usually hang back, taking a defensive posture on its hind legs, while the bull was often the first to attack, charging with head down and horns lethal. It was generally understood by eyewitness accounts that the bear held the advantage in the fray. While the bull had a deadly lunge, the bear could parry the advance and grab the bull by the head, sinking its teeth into the bull’s neck, or on one account, biting the bull’s tongue, which would have undoubtedly released a crowd-pleasing bellow. At such times the vaqueros would jump in and break up the fight to save the bull and prolong the drama. “I was present,” stated a spectator named Arnaz in the pages of California Pastoral, “when a bear killed three bulls.” Often a single grizzly would fight many bulls consecutively until the home team won. “Sometimes the bull came off victorious, and at other times the bear, the result depending somewhat on the ages of the beasts."

The Brutal Bull-and-Bear Fights of 19th-Century California

In a typical battle, the grizzly bear, standing up to eight feet tall and weighing as much as 800 pounds, would be chained to a post. The bull, its horns festooned with garlands, would be roped to the bear to keep the brutes in each others orbit. Then, with the crowd in a frenzy, the burst of an officiator’s pistol would set off a melee of swiping, biting, and charging. More often than not, the bear emerged victorious.

When California delighted in the bloodsport of bulls vs. bears






Mud, Blood, and Gold: San Francisco in 1849
 

If you want to compare the polar bear to its cousin, history would give it a good chance. I like to look at these old accounts conservatively though, and some of these do seem exaggerated, but the history of bulls fighting bears seems to be actually well-documented occurrences in that time period.

[oldgreengrolar]

If a polar bear can bite through walrus skin, it can do the same to Spanish bull skin too.
Also if a polar bear can handle a musk oxen, it might have the ability to handle the Spanish bull too.

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Feb 13, 2023 2:47:24 GMT Hardcastle said:

Feb 13, 2023 2:29:42 GMT Bolushi said:

No. They evolved 10k years ago from grizzlies. They are basically the same and I fail to see what would trigger any key differences besides being a carnivore.

Bulldogs are separated from collies by only about 6000 years... genetic distance doesn't matter, lifestyle does, and polar bears took on a dramatically different new lifestyle that required regular killing of large behemoth beasts. That changed them.

Yeah, behemoths like blubbery punching bags...
Grizzlies have nailed bull elk and moose on rare occasion. Perhaps bear fans even know of some bears killing bison. How are fucking seals comparable? They avoid bull walrus.

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Feb 13, 2023 6:39:50 GMT oldgreengrolar said:

If a polar bear can bite through walrus skin, it can do the same to Spanish bull skin too.
Also if a polar bear can handle a musk oxen, it might have the ability to handle the Spanish bull too.

If I can slice a piece of butter with my pocket knife I can also slice through alligator scales. 0-0

[oldgreengrolar]

Feb 13, 2023 7:02:30 GMT Bolushi said:

Feb 13, 2023 6:39:50 GMT oldgreengrolar said:

If a polar bear can bite through walrus skin, it can do the same to Spanish bull skin too.
Also if a polar bear can handle a musk oxen, it might have the ability to handle the Spanish bull too.

If I can slice a piece of butter with my pocket knife I can also slice through alligator scales. 0-0

Aligator scales are tougher than butter.

Walrus are more difficult to kill as their neck is protected by thick hide and fat more so than a spanish bull.

I acknowledge the spanish bull is more aggressive than a walrus and a very powerful animal but it does not have as good defence but that can be discuss more if someone makes a bovine vs walrus thread.

[oldgreengrolar]

The horns are longer than in most other breeds and are present in both males and females. Mature bulls weigh from 408.2 to 700 kg (900 to 1,543 lb).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Fighting_Bull#:~:text=The%20horns%20are%20longer%20than,(900%20to%201%2C543%20lb).

Back to topic, a spanish bull is about the same weight as the polar bear especially at upper weights. An exceptionally large male polar bear like Stan will win.

I believe that at weight parity, the male polar bear will win more often than not too especially if it has experience with musk oxen.