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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 3, 2022 7:53:06 GMT
I said "some" staghound, so that doesn't necesssarily mean my dog x staghound*, it could mean my dog x bull/stag. So the stag isn't replacing bull percentage but replacing greyhound/pointer on the other side. The end result would still be 50% bull, just now 25% grey, 12.5% pointer and 12.5% deerhound, instead of 50% bull, 25% grey and 25% pointer. Should be a little racier but not really compromising strength/robusticity.
*though... tbh, I actually like the sound of that (my ba x stag), even though yes some robusticity may be compromised, it would be such a weapon for speed - and the drop in robusticity may be minimised by upsizing the frame and height/length overall. It's like how Diesel would shit-whip a bullmastiff easily. He had bullmastiff muscle but put on a giant tall athletic frame and ended up being a far bigger stronger dog than a bullmastiff. What I have seen from both wolfhound crosses and Dane crosses makes me really think it has some good perks. I'm not entirely sure HUGE dogs are what I like, maybe want more agility, quicker feet and lateral movement etc than what you get from dane and wolfhound crosses, but at the same time those huge dogs are cool too. Almost like the different weight/height classes of boarhound are 2 different animals and I like both for slightly different reasons. I may breed two different lines. A more compact bull arab style and then a big dane/wolfhound x style. I wouldn't mind using Winnie as the foundation for both. I want her nature and drives/instincts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 8:02:18 GMT
I said "some" staghound, so that doesn't necesssarily mean my dog x staghound*, it could mean my dog x bull/stag. So the stag isn't replacing bull percentage but replacing greyhound/pointer on the other side. The end result would still be 50% bull, just now 25% grey, 12.5% pointer and 12.5% deerhound, instead of 50% bull, 25% grey and 25% pointer. Should be a little racier but not really compromising strength/robusticity. *though... tbh, I actually like the sound of that (my ba x stag), even though yes some robusticity may be compromised, it would be such a weapon for speed - and the drop in robusticity may be minimised by upsizing the frame and height/length overall. It's like how Diesel would shit-whip a bullmastiff easily. He had bullmastiff muscle but put on a giant tall athletic frame and ended up being a far bigger stronger dog than a bullmastiff. What I have seen from both wolfhound crosses and Dane crosses makes me really think it has some good perks. I'm not entirely sure HUGE dogs are what I like, maybe want more agility, quicker feet and lateral movement etc than what you get from dane and wolfhound crosses, but at the same time those huge dogs are cool too. Almost like the different weight/height classes of boarhound are 2 different animals and I like both for slightly different reasons. I may breed two different lines. A more compact bull arab style and then a big dane/wolfhound x style. I wouldn't mind using Winnie as the foundation for both. I want her nature and drives/instincts. Is Diesel still alive or is he just retired still? Would you ever add him to your line? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 3, 2022 8:05:16 GMT
No Diesel is long dead. There is another old wolfhound x still alive at my cousin's farm named "woofy" or "wuffy", been retired for a while but just won't die. It used to be a great dog. Not AS big as diesel but still very big.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 8:08:10 GMT
No Diesel is long dead. There is another old wolfhound x still alive at my cousin's farm named "woofy" or "wuffy", been retired for a while but just won't die. It used to be a great dog. Not AS big as diesel but still very big. Did Diesel ever partake in breedings? From what I've heard your cousin really should've made a line out of him. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 3, 2022 10:39:16 GMT
No Diesel is long dead. There is another old wolfhound x still alive at my cousin's farm named "woofy" or "wuffy", been retired for a while but just won't die. It used to be a great dog. Not AS big as diesel but still very big. Did Diesel ever partake in breedings? From what I've heard your cousin really should've made a line out of him. No I think he never did or if he did none of the descendants remain with him. Tbh I think my cousin wouldn't agree with you. Diesel was a beast and a killer and a freal etc but when my cousin switched to Cole's bull arabs he said they were actually way better than his team of diesel and butch (the RB X bm). There's more to it than just kicking ass and Coles dogs were like faster and better at finding and smarter and more obedient and biddable and etc. Diesel and Butch were a pair of thug outlaws and then his new white dogs were like classy professionals. So for our purposes where we admire fighting or killing diesel and butch both were the shit, but to a hunter like my cousin there are different priorities. Those dogs were probably a bit of a headache at times. Maybe wasting time jumping for pigs that weren't there, not noticing pigs that were, not coming back to the truck quickly when there was no point wasting time, not running on to catch more pigs after one was already caught etc etc. Countless little things that hunters care about. I'm not saying all bullwolfhounds or all rb X BMS are bad, or even that diesel and butch were, just Coles specific line was a step up in lots of little ways that hunters care about a lot which maybe don't factor into our discussions. Diesel being a monster and a freak is certain, but the best hunting dog ever, no. Cole had been refining and honing and sharpening his line for decades and decades to be perfect tools for hunting pigs in lots of little ways and yeah Dean was blown away with them as a big a improvement over anything he had before. That was exactly when he actually changed from a punk shit kicker with tough dogs to a top hunter putting in real numbers with his well oiled efficient dogs. Sometimes those dogs will be super tough as well but sometimes they might not be and still might be really great workers in ways more valuable than a tough dog. That's why straight catch dogs aren't worth shit, they're a dime a dozen, but real finders that pull off miracle finds where other dogs wouldn't and work well off the ute and don't waste time or cause any headaches etc etc are so valuable. Sometimes even if they don't catch at all. Dean's "cole line" dogs do catch very hard one-out but that's not why they are great. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 18:17:29 GMT
Did Diesel ever partake in breedings? From what I've heard your cousin really should've made a line out of him. No I think he never did or if he did none of the descendants remain with him. Tbh I think my cousin wouldn't agree with you. Diesel was a beast and a killer and a freal etc but when my cousin switched to Cole's bull arabs he said they were actually way better than his team of diesel and butch (the RB X bm). There's more to it than just kicking ass and Coles dogs were like faster and better at finding and smarter and more obedient and biddable and etc. Diesel and Butch were a pair of thug outlaws and then his new white dogs were like classy professionals. So for our purposes where we admire fighting or killing diesel and butch both were the shit, but to a hunter like my cousin there are different priorities. Those dogs were probably a bit of a headache at times. Maybe wasting time jumping for pigs that weren't there, not noticing pigs that were, not coming back to the truck quickly when there was no point wasting time, not running on to catch more pigs after one was already caught etc etc. Countless little things that hunters care about. I'm not saying all bullwolfhounds or all rb X BMS are bad, or even that diesel and butch were, just Coles specific line was a step up in lots of little ways that hunters care about a lot which maybe don't factor into our discussions. Diesel being a monster and a freak is certain, but the best hunting dog ever, no. Cole had been refining and honing and sharpening his line for decades and decades to be perfect tools for hunting pigs in lots of little ways and yeah Dean was blown away with them as a big a improvement over anything he had before. That was exactly when he actually changed from a punk shit kicker with tough dogs to a top hunter putting in real numbers with his well oiled efficient dogs. Sometimes those dogs will be super tough as well but sometimes they might not be and still might be really great workers in ways more valuable than a tough dog. That's why straight catch dogs aren't worth shit, they're a dime a dozen, but real finders that pull off miracle finds where other dogs wouldn't and work well off the ute and don't waste time or cause any headaches etc etc are so valuable. Sometimes even if they don't catch at all. Dean's "cole line" dogs do catch very hard one-out but that's not why they are great. If you had to choose any individual dog you've ever known to go against a 140-150lb cougar/leopard or 120lb jaguar would you choose Diesel? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 3, 2022 19:51:35 GMT
Yeah can't think of one better suited to try. I've encountered similar pig dogs a few times, but definitely of those I actually knew he was the biggest and had the most impressive feats. I met a bigger LGD, guy described it as "Anatolian", was actually white with patches and looked like an alabai and it weighed 85 kgs and was only 12 months old. Actually met it at a dog park with my Kelpie before I got the bull arab (felt like a fag). It was a total monster, and even moved ok but couldn't move like diesel. I think diesel would be a better candidate against a big cat, and probably would beat it as well but who knows. Full grown might have been 100 kgs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 5:38:39 GMT
Yeah can't think of one better suited to try. I've encountered similar pig dogs a few times, but definitely of those I actually knew he was the biggest and had the most impressive feats. I met a bigger LGD, guy described it as "Anatolian", was actually white with patches and looked like an alabai and it weighed 85 kgs and was only 12 months old. Actually met it at a dog park with my Kelpie before I got the bull arab (felt like a fag). It was a total monster, and even moved ok but couldn't move like diesel. I think diesel would be a better candidate against a big cat, and probably would beat it as well but who knows. Full grown might have been 100 kgs. Do you prefer raw power and damage output/durability in dogs like Diesel/Boss or the leaner, more rounded BAs? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 4, 2022 6:36:58 GMT
I admire the large "raw power" dogs as beastly beasts, but I think I like the smaller more versatile, reasonably sized dogs that can move around more easily. I also like the idea of a dog that could potentially catch a bull or a buffalo if it had to, which I don't think a large beastly dog can do. The more variety of things they could catch and do, the better. And I think that calls for a more modestly sized compact dog. That's why I always used this bullstag pic as like my ideal dog-  And these other examples of my ideal dog build (which you've seen a million times but just to reiterate these are my ideal)-      Those last two are probably a LITTLE on the small side to be my ideal, but even so I like the versatile functionality they would have. I do also love the bigger beasts as well, and I think definitely when I get a farm and can have like 6 or 7 dogs at a time I will have a couple like this (again, posted many times but it's a good representative of "big beast" type).  But if I could only have 1 dog, it would be like the smaller dogs above. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 6:46:08 GMT
I admire the large "raw power" dogs as beastly beasts, but I think I like the smaller more versatile, reasonably sized dogs that can move around more easily. I also like the idea of a dog that could potentially catch a bull or a buffalo if it had to, which I don't think a large beastly dog can do. The more variety of things they could catch and do, the better. And I think that calls for a more modestly sized compact dog. That's why I always used this bullstag pic as like my ideal dog- And these other examples of my ideal dog build (which you've seen a million times but just to reiterate these are my ideal)- Those last two are probably a LITTLE on the small side to be my ideal, but even so I like the versatile functionality they would have. I do also love the bigger beasts as well, and I think definitely when I get a farm and can have like 6 or 7 dogs at a time I will have a couple like this (again, posted many times but it's a good representative of "big beast" type). But if I could only have 1 dog, it would be like the smaller dogs above. Do you know anyone who breeds BL Bullstags? I haven't found anything on them on Ozziedoggers. Just ''Bully Stags'' and (almost) none of them are BLs. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 4, 2022 7:07:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 7:11:48 GMT
I searched it up and seen that but I didn't think it was him. And considering it's New South Wales it's even more plausible it's him lol.
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 4, 2022 7:15:03 GMT
Who the hell names their kid "Burr" as a first name? Never even heard of it before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 7:21:22 GMT
Who the hell names their kid "Burr" as a first name? Never even heard of it before. Lol. What will you call your dogs? ''Arab Stags'' ? |
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