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Post by bearstrong on Jan 24, 2023 16:58:43 GMT
Because they shared territory this match happened a lot of times in real life and i think the bear won all of the fights because it was more robust than smilodon and has thick fur and fat as armor when smilodons flesh has no defense from the bears claws and teeth and smilodon had weak jaws so it would not be able to do any damage to the bear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 14:25:59 GMT
lol I remember this guy
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 11, 2023 14:33:32 GMT
I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 14:41:28 GMT
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Post by oldgreengrolar on Jul 1, 2023 11:52:18 GMT
Smilodon populator 10/10. It is much larger than the spectacled bear to begin with.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 1, 2023 21:31:33 GMT
Because they shared territory this match happened a lot of times in real life and i think the bear won all of the fights because it was more robust than smilodon and has thick fur and fat as armor when smilodons flesh has no defense from the bears claws and teeth and smilodon had weak jaws so it would not be able to do any damage to the bear. Even though this is silly, there's almost a point there. The fact is, despite being much smaller than tigers, sloth bears coexist with them essentially as sitting ducks. It makes you wonder why wouldn't tigers just constantly kill and eat them. Well, they can't. The bears beat them up when they try (and they try), most of the time. It's an uncomfortable truth, but a truth all the same. The tigers don't even target the large males, they pick at the small females, and the females actually fight back, hurt them and send them running.   Basically, sloth bears can look after themselves, and despite female sloth bears being around 1/3rd the size of an adult tiger on average, they typically fend tigers off with their spirited defense of simply fighting back. Males half the tigers size are given a wider berth and more respect.   link It is true, that to coexist with a big cat, a bear has to be able to get the better of it in the majority of scuffles, even factoring in the element of surprise that the cat will assuredly try to use. The bear can't run from a tiger and isn't even well equipped to necessarily sense it's approach if it is upwind. They'd be "fish in a barrel" if they couldn't defend themselves. So bears and cats coexisting automatically implies a certain degree of bear dominance. Generally speaking. The problem with the OP's statement, is spectacled bears have ALWAYS been limited to high elevations in the andes, where smilodon populator did not roam, and they are also highly aboreal, which is a form of defense that can give a little wiggle room for a prospective prey animal to have at least one additional way to evade predation. This is also how the sun bear can coexist with the tiger despite being even smaller than the sloth bear. They spend a lot of time up trees. But also, not for nothing, they too must be fighting off tiger attacks with some degree of regularity, and no doubt their loose shifting skin evolved for that purpose, making them essentially like giant honey badgers. Just very very hard to kill and liable to mount a formidable defense. So, the op's statement is stretching this out to extremes by using the smilodon populator, which was 54% larger than the bengal tiger, and also extremely well adapted even for it's size to control strong animals with their massively powerful forelimbs and penetrate though any kind hide or fur or whatever with their sabres. It would be shockingly surprising if spectacled bears could have regularly fought them off, and sure enough, they didn't actually coexist with them in the same biomes. Close but no cigar bearstrong. |
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Post by oldgreengrolar on Jul 2, 2023 9:54:51 GMT
The sloth bear is an impressive and the most defensively aggressive bear. This female did a good job although I believe a serious tiger will win. There are accounts of sloth bears being killed by tigers. Which one do you think will win in a fight to death?
The most offensively aggressive will be the barren ground grizzly.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 2, 2023 10:35:18 GMT
The sloth bear is an impressive and the most defensively aggressive bear. This female did a good job although I believe a serious tiger will win. There are accounts of sloth bears being killed by tigers. Which one do you think will win in a fight to death? The most offensively aggressive will be the barren ground grizzly. "Fight to the death" I think tigers of both sexes would prevail over female sloth bears basically every time, but not males. I think that's about 50/50 even with the size disadvantage. Regardless, the fights aren't likely to be "to the death" in reality, save for extremely rare and desperate circumstances, and usually the bears will dominate the scuffle and send the tigers on their way. That's a win for me. You forfeit you lose. Tigers do prey on them, yes, but they are carefully picking their targets, stacking the odds in their favour, and still failing and losing most of the time. |
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Post by oldgreengrolar on Jul 3, 2023 8:26:37 GMT
The sloth bear is an impressive and the most defensively aggressive bear. This female did a good job although I believe a serious tiger will win. There are accounts of sloth bears being killed by tigers. Which one do you think will win in a fight to death? The most offensively aggressive will be the barren ground grizzly. "Fight to the death" I think tigers of both sexes would prevail over female sloth bears basically every time, but not males. I think that's about 50/50 even with the size disadvantage. Regardless, the fights aren't likely to be "to the death" in reality, save for extremely rare and desperate circumstances, and usually the bears will dominate the scuffle and send the tigers on their way. That's a win for me. You forfeit you lose. Tigers do prey on them, yes, but they are carefully picking their targets, stacking the odds in their favour, and still failing and losing most of the time. Thanks for your feedback  . Anyway, according to Linda Kerley, male Siberian tigers prey on bears all the way up to the largest female brown bear and female brown bears are heavier than sloth bears on average. Dale at 445 pounds killed a female brown bear at 440 pounds. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 3, 2023 9:16:21 GMT
I believe that and really have no problem with that. It demonstrates the huge difference between a perfect ambush assassination and a face to face confrontation or even a failed assassination. I actually am aware tigers have preyed on large brown bears, it doesn't actually conflict with what I said, they stack the odds in their favour, and fail most of the time. They can always (nearly always) spring away and flee if it doesn't work out, that is if its a 150 lbs female sloth bear, or a 600 lbs brown bear, so if the circumstances are JUST right they might try their luck on a wide variety of bears, and may even succeed on some surprisingly big ones, but face to face I think they get bettered by most bears in a melee/scuffle.
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Post by Musth on Jul 4, 2023 22:22:23 GMT
Yes a face to face “fight” is much different than an ambush. Mike Tyson walks down the street… I come up behind Mike Tyson punch the back of Mike Tyson’s head and KO him…. So I can beat Mike Tyson in a face to face boxing match…. Nope.
The tiger basically sucker punches the bear, hoping to instant kill the bear catching the bear while it is completely unaware. It’s no different from a sucker punch.
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. Anyway, according to Linda Kerley, male Siberian tigers prey on bears all the way up to the largest female brown bear and female brown bears are heavier than sloth bears on average.