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Post by s on Aug 31, 2023 10:34:41 GMT
Also what Puma population are you looking at? The average for adult males is 60-70kg, not 45-60kg.
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 31, 2023 20:01:44 GMT
I love komododo so much
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 31, 2023 20:02:12 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 31, 2023 20:03:08 GMT
The Galgo Patagonico is definitely not the easiest hunting Galgo. That's the Galgo Espanol. I'm in several facebook groups and Galgo Patagonicos are weirdly not so common, Galgo Espanol is the more common animal. It is a Galgo Espanol with a bit of herder by the looks of it, it is NOT a Galgo Patagonico of any kind. Take a look at their respective profiles I made for them on bestiary - www.tapatalk.com/groups/bestiary/sighthounds-f39/In fact in the Galgo Espanol profile you can see the dog in the video looks a lot like the dog on the right. Look at the back legs of the dog in the video, they are too muscular to be a Galgo Español, Galgo Patagonico has more muscular back legs that are more similar to those of the dog in the video, therefore im quite certain it's a Galgo Patagonico. Why are they too muscular? Greyhounds can have pretty muscular legs.  |
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 31, 2023 21:51:41 GMT
This "must be a galgo patagonico, what else can it be?" argument is just sheer unadulterated ignorance. Let me help you out - 95% of working dogs are mutts. Very rarely will these videos or pictures of working hunting dogs be some pure breed, let alone the rather obscure purebreed that is the galgo patagonico. I'm not sure if we have even 1 pic or video of a definite 100% galgo patagonico working. You seem to think "if it's not a pure galgo espanol, or pure dogo argentino, what else could it possibly be working in argentina?" like somehow you don't even know that mutts exist, let alone make up the vast majority of working dogs. This wouldn't matter so much, if it was the same basic type of dog as a galgo patagonico. That would be good enough for me to say it is indicative of galgo patagonico performance, if it was just a mutt of the staghound/wolfhound type. But it CLEARLY isn't even that. It is a mutt, that's for sure, but it is also comprised of different dog types and is a totally different size than the galgo patagonico with different inclinations and behaviours owing to what is fairly unmistakably herding dog making up a decent 50% of its makeup. It looks about 23-25" inches tall and maybe 50 lbs, the small puma is noticably taller than it at the shoulder, and the biggest puma in history is about 4 or 5 inches shorter than a galgo patagonico. GPs are about 32-34 inches tall and 100-110 lbs. What GPs actually look like -      The dog in that video is a "galgo" as in a lurcher, half galgo espanol and probably half collie. |
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Post by s on Sept 1, 2023 6:56:26 GMT
Look at the back legs of the dog in the video, they are too muscular to be a Galgo Español, Galgo Patagonico has more muscular back legs that are more similar to those of the dog in the video, therefore im quite certain it's a Galgo Patagonico. Why are they too muscular? Greyhounds can have pretty muscular legs. Galgo Español usually doesn't get that muscular, Galgo Patagonico does though |
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Post by s on Sept 1, 2023 6:58:02 GMT
This "must be a galgo patagonico, what else can it be?" argument is just sheer unadulterated ignorance. Let me help you out - 95% of working dogs are mutts. Very rarely will these videos or pictures of working hunting dogs be some pure breed, let alone the rather obscure purebreed that is the galgo patagonico. I'm not sure if we have even 1 pic or video of a definite 100% galgo patagonico working. You seem to think "if it's not a pure galgo espanol, or pure dogo argentino, what else could it possibly be working in argentina?" like somehow you don't even know that mutts exist, let alone make up the vast majority of working dogs. This wouldn't matter so much, if it was the same basic type of dog as a galgo patagonico. That would be good enough for me to say it is indicative of galgo patagonico performance, if it was just a mutt of the staghound/wolfhound type. But it CLEARLY isn't even that. It is a mutt, that's for sure, but it is also comprised of different dog types and is a totally different size than the galgo patagonico with different inclinations and behaviours owing to what is fairly unmistakably herding dog making up a decent 50% of its makeup. It looks about 23-25" inches tall and maybe 50 lbs, the small puma is noticably taller than it at the shoulder, and the biggest puma in history is about 4 or 5 inches shorter than a galgo patagonico. GPs are about 32-34 inches tall and 100-110 lbs. What GPs actually look like - The dog in that video is a "galgo" as in a lurcher, half galgo espanol and probably half collie. If you describe your dog as a "Galgo" in Argentina/Chile without specifying any further. There is an 80% chance it's a Galgo Patricia |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 1, 2023 7:18:33 GMT
Why are they too muscular? Greyhounds can have pretty muscular legs. Galgo Español usually doesn't get that muscular, Galgo Patagonico does though Greyhounds have the highest muscle mass to body weight ratio of any dog. What is a galgo patricia? |
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Post by s on Sept 1, 2023 10:32:40 GMT
Galgo Español usually doesn't get that muscular, Galgo Patagonico does though Greyhounds have the highest muscle mass to body weight ratio of any dog. What is a galgo patricia? Didn't deny Greyhounds can get really muscular, but it depends quite a bit on the breed, Galgo Español has thinner legs compared to Patagónico. And the one from the video has pretty thick legs |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 1, 2023 11:14:04 GMT
Because it's a mutt, it's not just a sighthound, it's about 50% sighthound.
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Post by s on Sept 1, 2023 11:18:29 GMT
Because it's a mutt, it's not just a sighthound, it's about 50% sighthound. What about the other dog (the black one)? It looked like a half-decent hunting dog to me |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Sept 1, 2023 19:26:05 GMT
8avian8 has the tenacity of old cat fans (2006-2019) and the research skills of new cat fans (2020-present). He just continues to post without putting much thought in his paragraphs.
At least the worst of the old cat fans could actually provide credible accounts. Even Mondas understood the definition of evidence.
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Post by Bolushi on Sept 1, 2023 21:19:08 GMT
Because it's a mutt, it's not just a sighthound, it's about 50% sighthound. What about the other dog (the black one)? It looked like a half-decent hunting dog to me It's a good hunting dog but also kinda shitty at fighting and quite physically weak. Such a dog is great at finding and locating all manner of animals, and killing smaller game, but you would not use it on something powerful and dangerous. Raccoons, opossums, rats, stuff like that... that's fine for such a dog to be used to kill. The lurcher is good with stags and all sorts of animals. It's bigger, stronger and most importantly a lot faster and more skilled. |
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Post by s on Sept 1, 2023 22:35:07 GMT
What about the other dog (the black one)? It looked like a half-decent hunting dog to me It's a good hunting dog but also kinda shitty at fighting and quite physically weak. Such a dog is great at finding and locating all manner of animals, and killing smaller game, but you would not use it on something powerful and dangerous. Raccoons, opossums, rats, stuff like that... that's fine for such a dog to be used to kill. The lurcher is good with stags and all sorts of animals. It's bigger, stronger and most importantly a lot faster and more skilled. That's why i said "HALF-decent", not bad, not amazing. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 1, 2023 22:57:22 GMT
Because it's a mutt, it's not just a sighthound, it's about 50% sighthound. What about the other dog (the black one)? It looked like a half-decent hunting dog to me What does that even mean? Looks a good hunting dog to you? Lol. Are hunting dogs an interest of yours? You're a discerning connoisseur of fine hunting dogs, is that right? It's not even a hunting dog, it is a shaggy sheep dog. It turns out shaggy sheep dogs CAN be useful for hunters because they can harass and "herd" wild animals, distract them essentially. A sheepdog x sighthound, like the other dog, can be a more serious hunting dog but usually for small game. The sheep dog element helps them be more agile and have a strong work ethic to keep trying hard with enthusiasm all day, and the actual hunting and killing nouse comes from the sighthound side, but a collie lurcher of this sort is obviously not something that will cause serious issues for a puma in close combat. It's not supposed to, it is working here as a distracting "cur" so the puma can be shot. A galgo patagonico is wolfhound in type, and is designed to actually engage in close combat with big game. In patagonia that is mostly guanacos, pumas, red deer and boars. Whether that means it can beat a puma or not, the fact is it is designed to engage and attack them with full commitment and is also as big as most pumas it is likely to come across. In that video we saw what are called "bailers" in the hunting world, they could still be "good hunting dogs" but its irrelevant in regards to their ability to actually fight with the quarry because that isn't what they are for. With a staghound, wolfhound, boarhound, etc it is a given that their purpose is to fight with the quarry. That's a big difference in application and they are different animals as a result of adapting to their application. |
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