Size Comparisons

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Jun 1, 2023 8:10:36 GMT theundertaker45 said:

I made this comparison a while back as it is extremely rare to have two individuals available with almost identical lightning. A Californian cougar and an Indian leopard next to each other scaled to equal HB length (straight line); the cougar was quite an infamous specimen as in the original picture you can see the "Hollywood sign" in the background.

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Jun 1, 2023 8:10:36 GMT theundertaker45 said:

I made this comparison a while back as it is extremely rare to have two individuals available with almost identical lightning. A Californian cougar and an Indian leopard next to each other scaled to equal HB length (straight line); the cougar was quite an infamous specimen as in the original picture you can see the "Hollywood sign" in the background.

That individual puma certainly looks more powerful than that individual leopard, and I guess that correlates with the robusticity advantage in the limb robusticity study as well. I'd been swaying more pro-leopard recently, but that comparison is good "food for thought".

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I agree, this cougar has very powerful forelimbs; it's surprising that this specific male was weighed at a mere ~120lbs as a fairly experienced adult. Probably not the biggest individual in terms of frame but definitely strong in the limbs. 

I've probably seen thousands of big cat pictures where the cat walks along and one thing I've noticed is that the position of the cougar (when one arm is tilted back in order to make a step) really outlines the thickness and muscularity in the forelimbs. In the comparison the Indian leopard has his two forelimbs firm on the ground, so there is less flexing and stretching going on; maybe it would look different if they were completely identical in posture.

I'll post below three pictures; the first pictures a very popular leopard called "Vin Diesel" who has really impressive forelimbs in my eyes (also very lean torso with almost no fat and huge dewlap). The second pictures a Pantanal jaguar whose forelimbs and overall robusticity is off the charts and the third compares the two at equal length showing the exact difference.

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Reading through 1800s big game hunter books it was common for them to be confused with the difference between cheetahs and leopards, some thought they were the same thing, but then some others thought cheetahs, female leopards and male leopards were 3 entirely different species. George P Sanderson called male leopards "panthers", and regardless of whether they were yellow with rosettes or black. He talked about how "panthers" were deadly to humans and preyed on cattle, but leopards were basically nothing in his eyes. Reading between the lines you can tell he is under the impression that male leopards around the 70-90 kg mark are a totally different thing to female leopards around 35-45 kgs, not the same species at all. It's kind of easy to see why when you see male leopards like the above. It really is much closer to a jaguar than it is to a leopardess.

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Big bears.

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Jon Jones & Persian Leopard.

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Jun 26, 2023 17:59:51 GMT @ling said:

Jon Jones & Persian Leopard.

Rear naked choke is the likely outcome.

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Jun 26, 2023 20:40:46 GMT Hardcastle said:

Jun 26, 2023 17:59:51 GMT @ling said:

Jon Jones & Persian Leopard.

Rear naked choke is the likely outcome.

What do you think is the max-sized predator that a human could beat in a 1v1? And what human would complete said task? Aleksandr Karelin , Jon Jones or someone else?

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Plains Bison & Muskox.

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One of the largest verified Great White Sharks.

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Very large specimens.

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Extinct tigers vs extinct lions-

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Jul 7, 2023 12:22:02 GMT @ling said:

Very large specimens.

When I saw Komodo Dragons in person at the zoo I was a little underwhelmed. I mean they've been hyped up so much I was kind of expecting them to be double the size they were.

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Cross River gorilla and Eastern Lowland gorilla.

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Persian Leopard and Mandrill. Average males.