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Post by ophio on Oct 16, 2023 19:54:01 GMT
13.3 kg brazilian ocelot vs 16.5 kg eastern coyote male
Personally i got the ocelot. Bobcats seem to give coyotes a problem already and ocelots have killed canids all the way up to boxers. I think the ocelot can end it quickly with a skull bite if its able to control the head.
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 16, 2023 20:11:26 GMT
I'd take the ocelot tbh. It's stronger and if coyote vs bobcat is anything close to fair an ocelot should beat either.
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Post by ophio on Oct 16, 2023 20:19:32 GMT
/?locale=pt_BR Ocelot kills a boxer in brazil. The situation is opaque since nobody seen the kill happen. Some speculate it could be a cougar that did it. According to apex, the dog was a boxer-pit mix |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 10:50:01 GMT
I'd take the ocelot tbh. It's stronger and if coyote vs bobcat is anything close to fair an ocelot should beat either. I don't think ocelots are much stronger than bobcats. They actually look wealer IMO. |
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 17, 2023 15:48:06 GMT
I'd take the ocelot tbh. It's stronger and if coyote vs bobcat is anything close to fair an ocelot should beat either. I don't think ocelots are much stronger than bobcats. They actually look wealer IMO. Their robusticity score is higher and there's indication an ocelot may have killed a decent-looking pet (but rural pet and clearly a pet that was dominant so not fodder) bulldog, from a defensive losing position. I believe a puma did that, but it could've been an ocelot and if it was we can immediately list off bobcats as viable comparisons for an ocelot. Should be looking towards CL and Asiatic golden cat for better comparisons. Bobcats have no answer for combat dogs their size. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 15:59:05 GMT
I don't think ocelots are much stronger than bobcats. They actually look wealer IMO. Their robusticity score is higher and there's indication an ocelot may have killed a decent-looking pet (but rural pet and clearly a pet that was dominant so not fodder) bulldog, from a defensive losing position. I believe a puma did that, but it could've been an ocelot and if it was we can immediately list off bobcats as viable comparisons for an ocelot. Should be looking towards CL and Asiatic golden cat for better comparisons. Bobcats have no answer for combat dogs their size. I think the more recent robusticity chart made bobcats stronger. Bobcats have killed pitbulls, not good pitbulls, but pet boxers aren't as good as pet pitbulls. |
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 17, 2023 16:26:07 GMT
Their robusticity score is higher and there's indication an ocelot may have killed a decent-looking pet (but rural pet and clearly a pet that was dominant so not fodder) bulldog, from a defensive losing position. I believe a puma did that, but it could've been an ocelot and if it was we can immediately list off bobcats as viable comparisons for an ocelot. Should be looking towards CL and Asiatic golden cat for better comparisons. Bobcats have no answer for combat dogs their size. I think the more recent robusticity chart made bobcats stronger. Bobcats have killed pitbulls, not good pitbulls, but pet boxers aren't as good as pet pitbulls. It did? Where? The problem is pet dogs are a very wide spectrum. Some pet dogs kick ass, some don't even fight back, and everything in-between. Also we have yet to find a case of a bobcat killing a pitbull that hasn't been disproven/highly dubious? The morbidly obese petbull case is suspected to be a mountain lion. All the other cases are bobcats beating up petbulls that weren't fighting, but not actually killing them. Not much of a surprise, a bobcat doesn't have the tools to kill a pitbull. Plus, all those cases happened in urban city environments where the quality of dogs are is lower than rural areas. Pet boxers and pet pitbulls aren't far off, very close. In this case, it was in a rural location, and it's clear the boxer was actually dominant over the cat which implies it was really fighting. But the ocelot or puma ended up killing it with rakes to the stomach. It was a good boxer too, its muzzle wasn't deformed like most boxers. |
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Post by ophio on Oct 17, 2023 17:10:29 GMT
Their robusticity score is higher and there's indication an ocelot may have killed a decent-looking pet (but rural pet and clearly a pet that was dominant so not fodder) bulldog, from a defensive losing position. I believe a puma did that, but it could've been an ocelot and if it was we can immediately list off bobcats as viable comparisons for an ocelot. Should be looking towards CL and Asiatic golden cat for better comparisons. Bobcats have no answer for combat dogs their size. I think the more recent robusticity chart made bobcats stronger. Bobcats have killed pitbulls, not good pitbulls, but pet boxers aren't as good as pet pitbulls. Can you post the recent charts? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 17:14:20 GMT
A pet pitbull could be just as bad as a pet boxer, or even worse. There's really no limit to how bad a pet can be, and almost no rhyme or reason. Not for nothing, pets can also be extremely formidable. Just depends on almost too many subtle factors to list. But once a pet is a naive wuss it can lose to anything. Hence why the pet African Lion Nero got wrecked by 20-30 lbs bulldogs (almost closer to patterdales in type than any other breed around today), at points fighting (and losing to) just one at a time.  Merely screaming and crying the whole time. That's a good lesson for people who want to downplay the significance of being a pet. It is potentially completely debilitating and that can't be overstated enough. Sadly being "abused and mistreated" before the fight is actually far less debilitating than being pampered and treated kindly. Funnily enough, I actually don't mind the look of that dead boxer, it looks kind of decent to my educated eye. Better than pure boxers I am familiar with. I don't get the impression it is a naive pampered wuss. The pitbulls that were damaged by bobcats (the pair I have in mind, with the couch-sloth fur-mom) were clearly total pussies. Unmistakably. As for that boxer... it is not certain an ocelot did that, could have been a puma, but also maybe was an ocelot. I'm open to it. By the damage placement it may have been attacking the cat rather than vice versa, and just got wounded by defensive retaliations to try and pry it off. That could happen to lots of good dogs, especially if they are "cat naive". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 17:21:07 GMT
I think the more recent robusticity chart made bobcats stronger. Bobcats have killed pitbulls, not good pitbulls, but pet boxers aren't as good as pet pitbulls. It did? Where? The problem is pet dogs are a very wide spectrum. Some pet dogs kick ass, some don't even fight back, and everything in-between. Also we have yet to find a case of a bobcat killing a pitbull that hasn't been disproven/highly dubious? The morbidly obese petbull case is suspected to be a mountain lion. All the other cases are bobcats beating up petbulls that weren't fighting, but not actually killing them. Not much of a surprise, a bobcat doesn't have the tools to kill a pitbull. Plus, all those cases happened in urban city environments where the quality of dogs are is lower than rural areas. Pet boxers and pet pitbulls aren't far off, very close. In this case, it was in a rural location, and it's clear the boxer was actually dominant over the cat which implies it was really fighting. But the ocelot or puma ended up killing it with rakes to the stomach. It was a good boxer too, its muzzle wasn't deformed like most boxers. I'll find it, may take a while. Well, this bobcat attacked and mauled two pitbulls at once. Therefore, one of the pitbulls had the chance to attack while the cat was grappling the other. I think it was a puma, ocelots don't seem like they would be able to do rakes like that. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 17:32:10 GMT
A lot of these news stories also have the unmistakable stink of sensationalised BS.
The reporter is like
"would you say your dog is lucky to be alive?"
hill billy- "eh I guess??"
Reporter- "no ... I want you to say it, we need a sound byte".
They have a motivation to make a big deal out of a molehill. They aren't opposed to do it the other way if it serves the story. Like Maracho that "saved the children from the puma". I don't believe that bullshit story. I think it somehow got into a scrap with a puma and they were probably coerced to fabricate the protecting children angle. Note - I work for a news/media corporation and this is 100% what they shamelessly do. Also how many stories have you seen where "dog saves children from snake". Lol. So a cobra was going to swallow a human toddler? Wtf are they talking about? Of course more often the story is going to be about wild animals attacking their dog, rather than vice versa, and then the journalists are trying to make the story better, so its always elevated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 17:32:59 GMT
 This is the one I was talking about. |
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Post by ophio on Oct 17, 2023 17:44:02 GMT
There's no bobcat in the chart, there's a canadian lynx but the ocelot is more robust. Bobcats are more robust than canadian lynxes though According to this chart it seems its asian golden cat > ocelot > caracal > african golden cat > canadian lynx I'd reckon the bobcat is somewhere between the ocelot and canadian lynx. Where? I'm not sure |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 17:45:43 GMT
I know recently you showed that and I had no idea what it meant and then asked you and I think you explained but I can't remember. In my defense I was intoxicated. I just searched bestiary looking for the conversation but can't find it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 18:01:00 GMT
I know recently you showed that and I had no idea what it meant and then asked you and I think you explained but I can't remember. In my defense I was intoxicated. I just searched bestiary looking for the conversation but can't find it. Clouded Leopard vs Olive Baboon. |
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