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Post by s on Sept 27, 2023 17:51:33 GMT
Oh I hope you don't like civilization, there wouldn't be any civilization without dogs like pitbulls. Hilarious message. Btw Bronze Age early hunting Dogs were nothing like Pitbulls, weren't human agressive and had self-preservation |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Sept 27, 2023 17:52:29 GMT
It just demonstrates that they aren't REALLY a problem, in the scheme of things. You're whipped up into a Karen-esque frenzy over a non-issue. This means you're either very impressionable, OR for you this is convenient because you just don't like pitbulls and think think they look ugly and hate the idea of them beating up cool noble wild animals (I'd lean towards the latter, it doesn't seem like you're generally passionate about public safety). Anything you care to mention is a bigger threat to public safety. Literally the only thing that isn't, is other breeds of dog. Everything else; from bicycles to bic lighters to stairs to horses to ladders to etc etc etc kills more people per year than pitbulls. I don't think you care about public safety, I think you hate pitbulls, and probably mostly because they have the capacity to say "cool story" to noble wild animals before they rip them to pieces, to that I say -  "Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but they're responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982, according to research compiled by Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, an animal-news organization that focuses on humane work and animal-cruelty prevention" There are a lot of working Dogs used for hunting that aren't human agressive, like Alano. Ah shitbulls. Useless and violent. Considering a lot of owners that a lot of dog owners walk their pets unleashed, you would have to be on guard if you see shitbulls lurking about. This guy was lucky that he had a bat. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 27, 2023 18:23:07 GMT
Oh I hope you don't like civilization, there wouldn't be any civilization without dogs like pitbulls. Hilarious message. Btw Bronze Age early hunting Dogs were nothing like Pitbulls, weren't human agressive and had self-preservation The taming of the aurochs required broad mouthed gripping dogs, as did the taming of the horse.  Doubt life would be like this without cattle to sustain civilisations and horses to build empires. |
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Post by s on Sept 27, 2023 18:25:11 GMT
Hilarious message. Btw Bronze Age early hunting Dogs were nothing like Pitbulls, weren't human agressive and had self-preservation The taming of the aurochs required broad mouthed gripping dogs, as did the taming of the horse. Doubt life would be like this without cattle to sustain civilisations and horses to build empires. Those "early gripping dogs" were closer to Wolves than to modern Bulldogs  This is a Norwegian "Elkhound" for hunting Moose. very similar to Wolves as you can see |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 27, 2023 18:28:37 GMT
Those dogs are used to herd and harass reindeer (yes like wolves), or bay moose and caribou so they can be shot. The earliest taming of cattle, equids and swine required more mouths-on dogs, this is where the gripping dog originated.
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 27, 2023 18:53:41 GMT
The taming of the aurochs required broad mouthed gripping dogs, as did the taming of the horse. Doubt life would be like this without cattle to sustain civilisations and horses to build empires. Those "early gripping dogs" were closer to Wolves than to modern Bulldogs This is a Norwegian "Elkhound" for hunting Moose. very similar to Wolves as you can see I just realised that because the spitz is an older type of dog, you may think reindeer herding is older than the domestication of cattle and pigs and horses. It is not. The spitz is old, but that application for the spitz is only 2000 years old, cattle and pig domestication began around 10 500 years ago, horse domestication 6000 years ago. These processes sculpted dog types into existence, including the gripping dog lineage which the pitbull is a manifestation of. Spitz breeds at that time were just pulling sleds and eating fish heads. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Sept 27, 2023 19:39:09 GMT
Gripping dog ancestors of the past are very different than the Frankenstein-esque mongrel shitbulls that were bred for fighting and baiting as recently as the 1800s.
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Post by Bolushi on Sept 27, 2023 19:56:36 GMT
Gripping dog ancestors of the past are very different than the Frankenstein-esque mongrel shitbulls that were bred for fighting and baiting as recently as the 1800s. Fighting a boar in the wild is no different from fighting a boar in a pen though... can't knock on pitbulls for what they were bred for. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 27, 2023 20:22:48 GMT
Gripping dog ancestors of the past are very different than the Frankenstein-esque mongrel shitbulls that were bred for fighting and baiting as recently as the 1800s. I'd agree the terrier infusion was probably not without its problematic consequences, to an extent. Bulldogs were always determined and always game to hold their grip no matter what damage they were taking, however, the lust to kill was not pronounced in them. Combining their stoic determination and resilience and power with an excessively heightened lust to kill was arguably a step backwards for the bulldog lineage in regards to it's gentlemenly nature. But it did undeniably improve performance as well, some say not just for dog fighting but even the intensity in which they subjugate big game. By the 1800s the bull terrier had no just displaced the bulldog from the pit but also from the field and the bull terrier was the dog of choice for subjugating big wild game and capturing semi-wild bovines. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Sept 27, 2023 21:43:09 GMT
Gripping dog ancestors of the past are very different than the Frankenstein-esque mongrel shitbulls that were bred for fighting and baiting as recently as the 1800s. I'd agree the terrier infusion was probably not without its problematic consequences, to an extent. Bulldogs were always determined and always game to hold their grip no matter what damage they were taking, however, the lust to kill was not pronounced in them. Combining their stoic determination and resilience and power with an excessively heightened lust to kill was arguably a step backwards for the bulldog lineage in regards to it's gentlemenly nature. But it did undeniably improve performance as well, some say not just for dog fighting but even the intensity in which they subjugate big game. By the 1800s the bull terrier had no just displaced the bulldog from the pit but also from the field and the bull terrier was the dog of choice for subjugating big wild game and capturing semi-wild bovines. Like its predecessor, the pitbull is currently outdated. There are cooler breeds than shitbulls for game, and there is better technology for hunting. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 27, 2023 21:51:36 GMT
I'd agree the terrier infusion was probably not without its problematic consequences, to an extent. Bulldogs were always determined and always game to hold their grip no matter what damage they were taking, however, the lust to kill was not pronounced in them. Combining their stoic determination and resilience and power with an excessively heightened lust to kill was arguably a step backwards for the bulldog lineage in regards to it's gentlemenly nature. But it did undeniably improve performance as well, some say not just for dog fighting but even the intensity in which they subjugate big game. By the 1800s the bull terrier had no just displaced the bulldog from the pit but also from the field and the bull terrier was the dog of choice for subjugating big wild game and capturing semi-wild bovines. Like its predecessor, the pitbull is currently outdated. There are cooler breeds than shitbulls for game, and there is better technology for hunting. Using advanced technology to hunt is imo more unethical than a shitbull mauling an old lady to death. Let me be clear that I personally have no interest or desire to ever own a Pitbull, I just think on principle the vilification is a little out of pocket. I guess I also fear that if banning Pitbulls is normalised its only natural, inevitable I would say, that a dog I like is next. I'm quite confident Bull Arabs would definitely be the next one on the chopping block in Australia. I'm actually glad XL bullies slotted in to create a buffer. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Sept 27, 2023 22:04:19 GMT
Ok, but there is still no point of adding extra danger for people.
Even if I live in a dangerous neighborhood with a disproportionate amount of crime, I will still try to make the best of my living space and call pest control to remove any dangerous vermin in my house.
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Post by s on Sept 28, 2023 11:13:43 GMT
I'd agree the terrier infusion was probably not without its problematic consequences, to an extent. Bulldogs were always determined and always game to hold their grip no matter what damage they were taking, however, the lust to kill was not pronounced in them. Combining their stoic determination and resilience and power with an excessively heightened lust to kill was arguably a step backwards for the bulldog lineage in regards to it's gentlemenly nature. But it did undeniably improve performance as well, some say not just for dog fighting but even the intensity in which they subjugate big game. By the 1800s the bull terrier had no just displaced the bulldog from the pit but also from the field and the bull terrier was the dog of choice for subjugating big wild game and capturing semi-wild bovines. Like its predecessor, the pitbull is currently outdated. There are cooler breeds than shitbulls for game, and there is better technology for hunting. Bulldogs are a genetic abomination from the Victorian age, older hunting Dogs weren't human agressive (unless they were trained as War Dogs, and even then they were intelligent enough to distinguish between allies and enemies, instead of mauling everyone) and had self-preservation instinct. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 28, 2023 12:41:37 GMT
How can you see something like this and not like pitbulls more-  Why have a boner for humans? Seems kinda gay. |
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Post by lincoln on Sept 28, 2023 14:55:19 GMT
"Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but they're responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982, according to research compiled by Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, an animal-news organization that focuses on humane work and animal-cruelty prevention" There are a lot of working Dogs used for hunting that aren't human agressive, like Alano. Ah shitbulls. Useless and violent. Considering a lot of owners that a lot of dog owners walk their pets unleashed, you would have to be on guard if you see shitbulls lurking about. This guy was lucky that he had a bat. If someone walks their dog without a leash they’re a dumbass |
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