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Post by cowboytexas on Jun 8, 2023 20:44:17 GMT
In my opinion the jaguar wins but if it can't get a skull bite instantly it would get injured by the alabai.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 20:53:28 GMT
Jaguar easily.
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Post by Bolushi on Jun 10, 2023 0:56:20 GMT
There are not many LGDs in South America. I suspect that's for a reason.
Bears can be harassed and beaten up and convinced to leave, wolves, cougars, leopards, brown and striped hyenas, feral dogs, coyotes... LGDs can straight up beat those animals and most importantly convince them it's not worth the effort. The odds an LGD is ambushed and killed is not great since they're big and strong and a cougar/leopard will give up and probably be overpowered.
In jaguar country however, if a jaguar jumps on an LGD and wants to kill it, it'll probably do it. For the same reason nobody uses LGDs to guard goats in lion or tiger country.
Jag takes this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 1:09:32 GMT
There are not many LGDs in South America. I suspect that's for a reason. There isn't much livestock in the jungle. |
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Post by Bolushi on Jun 10, 2023 1:22:54 GMT
There are not many LGDs in South America. I suspect that's for a reason. There isn't much livestock in the jungle. You dumbass, South America has a lot of cattle. Sheep are mostly raised outside of jaguar country and in puma country, so in Patagonia and such. They seem to have no LSGs and if they do it'll be the guanaco. Instead of getting LSGs most of the time they grab their dogs and go kill pumas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 2:04:59 GMT
There isn't much livestock in the jungle. You dumbass, South America has a lot of cattle. Sheep are mostly raised outside of jaguar country and in puma country, so in Patagonia and such. They seem to have no LSGs and if they do it'll be the guanaco. Instead of getting LSGs most of the time they grab their dogs and go kill pumas. Maybe no LGDs is a cultural preference (or lack thereof). I’m just saying most South American jaguars are in the Llanos, Atlantic forest, or Pantanal where there isn’t a lot of open land for farming. I think huemul are the Andean cougars’ main forage. Most pumas aren't large enough for cattle and jaguars don't really take large ungulates that often. |
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Post by Bolushi on Jun 10, 2023 3:11:55 GMT
You dumbass, South America has a lot of cattle. Sheep are mostly raised outside of jaguar country and in puma country, so in Patagonia and such. They seem to have no LSGs and if they do it'll be the guanaco. Instead of getting LSGs most of the time they grab their dogs and go kill pumas. Maybe no LGDs is a cultural preference (or lack thereof). I’m just saying most South American jaguars are in the Llanos, Atlantic forest, or Pantanal where there isn’t a lot of open land for farming. I think huemul are the Andean cougars’ main forage. Most pumas aren't large enough for cattle and jaguars don't really take large ungulates that often. Jaguars take cattle fairly frequently. Hence why they get shot all the time and farmers are putting fighting cattle in their herds to protect them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 3:19:43 GMT
Maybe no LGDs is a cultural preference (or lack thereof). I’m just saying most South American jaguars are in the Llanos, Atlantic forest, or Pantanal where there isn’t a lot of open land for farming. I think huemul are the Andean cougars’ main forage. Most pumas aren't large enough for cattle and jaguars don't really take large ungulates that often. Jaguars take cattle fairly frequently. Hence why they get shot all the time and farmers are putting fighting cattle in their herds to protect them. I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing! Perhaps the farmers should try barbed wire first. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 10, 2023 5:56:01 GMT
You dumbass, South America has a lot of cattle. Sheep are mostly raised outside of jaguar country and in puma country, so in Patagonia and such. They seem to have no LSGs and if they do it'll be the guanaco. Instead of getting LSGs most of the time they grab their dogs and go kill pumas. Maybe no LGDs is a cultural preference (or lack thereof). I’m just saying most South American jaguars are in the Llanos, Atlantic forest, or Pantanal where there isn’t a lot of open land for farming. I think huemul are the Andean cougars’ main forage. Most pumas aren't large enough for cattle and jaguars don't really take large ungulates that often. If you're gonna be called chatgtp you need to start using chatgtp to make your posts. You're giving chatgtp a bad name with your ignorance. They definitely know the Pantanal is dominated by grazing country. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 10, 2023 6:45:18 GMT
Jaguars take cattle fairly frequently. Hence why they get shot all the time and farmers are putting fighting cattle in their herds to protect them. I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing! Perhaps the farmers should try barbed wire first. Barbed wire to stop Jaguars? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 8:38:49 GMT
Jaguars take cattle fairly frequently. Hence why they get shot all the time and farmers are putting fighting cattle in their herds to protect them. I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing! Perhaps the farmers should try barbed wire first. They'd probably just jump over it, and besides the cattle could get caught in the coil. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 10, 2023 9:06:36 GMT
I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing! Perhaps the farmers should try barbed wire first. They'd probably just jump over it, and besides the cattle could get caught in the coil. They undoubtedly DO have barbed wire. 98% of cattle ranches/stations have barbed wire. Barbed wire is to keep cattle IN. That's why it exists. It keeps nothing out and no one expects it to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 9:19:22 GMT
In my opinion the jaguar wins but if it can't get a skull bite instantly it would get injured by the alabai. This is definitely a better match-up than Alabai vs Silverback Gorilla imo. |
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Post by Bolushi on Jun 10, 2023 11:43:40 GMT
In my opinion the jaguar wins but if it can't get a skull bite instantly it would get injured by the alabai. This is definitely a better match-up than Alabai vs Silverback Gorilla imo. No it's not. At least with the jaguar, the Alabai would possibly die quickly to a jaguar. Certainly a large male of 200lbs or more. A gorilla will rip it to pieces, it'll start off by de-facing the Alabai, then twisting its legs in ways they cannot bend, bite chunks of muscle out of the dog's shoulder, rip fur and skin and flesh off the Alabai's neck, more grotesque mauling etc. etc., it'll be a long brutal demise. For all our sakes, as spectators and for the contenders involved, it's best to match the Alabai with the jaguar so we aren't traumatized, don't hear disturbing yelps and might even get a quick and efficient death. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 11:51:14 GMT
This is definitely a better match-up than Alabai vs Silverback Gorilla imo. No it's not. At least with the jaguar, the Alabai would possibly die quickly to a jaguar. Certainly a large male of 200lbs or more. A gorilla will rip it to pieces, it'll start off by de-facing the Alabai, then twisting its legs in ways they cannot bend, bite chunks of muscle out of the dog's shoulder, rip fur and skin and flesh off the Alabai's neck, more grotesque mauling etc. etc., it'll be a long brutal demise. For all our sakes, as spectators and for the contenders involved, it's best to match the Alabai with the jaguar so we aren't traumatized, don't hear disturbing yelps and might even get a quick and efficient death. That's what I said. I said it was a BETTER match-up than vs a gorilla. Meaning it's at least fairer. |
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