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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 7, 2023 14:43:06 GMT
One of the better videos about the subject I've seen, but some of the pics and the understanding of what is meant by "mastiffs and greyhounds" is of course poor. The part where it mentions they were dogs used to hunt boar and stags, then trained to attack humans... that's rarely mentioned so clearly but something I figured out myself. They weren't "mastiffs and greyhounds", they were "mastiff" (alano) x "greyhound" (wolfhound and deerhound and etc) and some threw more sighthound, some more alano, but many in between and those in between were the biggest and nastiest ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 15:02:49 GMT
One of the better videos about the subject I've seen, but some of the pics and the understanding of what is meant by "mastiffs and greyhounds" is of course poor. The part where it mentions they were dogs used to hunt boar and stags, then trained to attack humans... that's rarely mentioned so clearly but something I figured out myself. They weren't "mastiffs and greyhounds", they were "mastiff" (alano) x "greyhound" (wolfhound and deerhound and etc) and some threw more sighthound, some more alano, but many in between and those in between were the biggest and nastiest ones. The dogs that the Conquistadores brought to the New World as bioweapons weren't modern Mastiffs and Greyhounds. The Molosser breed was known as "Alano", and it probably looked more like a muscular Great Dane, which is one of its descendants. In fact, in Italy, the Great Dane is still known as an "Alano". This ancient Alano is not to be confused with the modern designer breed of the same name, which is more Bulldog-like. The Spanish Mastiff shown at the first of the video is a livestock-guarding breed, bred for reduced prey drive(otherwise they'd attack the livestock they are meant to protect), and are NOT related to the war dogs of the Spaniards. The sighthound breed used by the Spaniards was more aggressive than most modern sighthound breeds, and was the ancestor of the Spanish Galgo breed. Hernando de Soto also brought these dogs to North America, where they interbred with Native American dogs, known now as "Carolina Dogs", to produce the Catahoula Leopard Dog, Blackmouth Cur, Florida Cur and other "Cur" breeds that developed throughout the southern US. Occasionally, some lines of Catahoula will produce a huge "throwback" dog that closely resembles the Spanish Alano Mastiffs. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 7, 2023 16:00:34 GMT
One of the better videos about the subject I've seen, but some of the pics and the understanding of what is meant by "mastiffs and greyhounds" is of course poor. The part where it mentions they were dogs used to hunt boar and stags, then trained to attack humans... that's rarely mentioned so clearly but something I figured out myself. They weren't "mastiffs and greyhounds", they were "mastiff" (alano) x "greyhound" (wolfhound and deerhound and etc) and some threw more sighthound, some more alano, but many in between and those in between were the biggest and nastiest ones. The dogs that the Conquistadores brought to the New World as bioweapons weren't modern Mastiffs and Greyhounds. The Molosser breed was known as "Alano", and it probably looked more like a muscular Great Dane, which is one of its descendants. In fact, in Italy, the Great Dane is still known as an "Alano". This ancient Alano is not to be confused with the modern designer breed of the same name, which is more Bulldog-like. The Spanish Mastiff shown at the first of the video is a livestock-guarding breed, bred for reduced prey drive(otherwise they'd attack the livestock they are meant to protect), and are NOT related to the war dogs of the Spaniards. The sighthound breed used by the Spaniards was more aggressive than most modern sighthound breeds, and was the ancestor of the Spanish Galgo breed. Hernando de Soto also brought these dogs to North America, where they interbred with Native American dogs, known now as "Carolina Dogs", to produce the Catahoula Leopard Dog, Blackmouth Cur, Florida Cur and other "Cur" breeds that developed throughout the southern US. Occasionally, some lines of Catahoula will produce a huge "throwback" dog that closely resembles the Spanish Alano Mastiffs. I wanted to increase your warning level for stealing a youtube comment but it is already 100% so I guess I can't. It's also an incorrect youtube comment, but that's neither here nor there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 16:28:39 GMT
The dogs that the Conquistadores brought to the New World as bioweapons weren't modern Mastiffs and Greyhounds. The Molosser breed was known as "Alano", and it probably looked more like a muscular Great Dane, which is one of its descendants. In fact, in Italy, the Great Dane is still known as an "Alano". This ancient Alano is not to be confused with the modern designer breed of the same name, which is more Bulldog-like. The Spanish Mastiff shown at the first of the video is a livestock-guarding breed, bred for reduced prey drive(otherwise they'd attack the livestock they are meant to protect), and are NOT related to the war dogs of the Spaniards. The sighthound breed used by the Spaniards was more aggressive than most modern sighthound breeds, and was the ancestor of the Spanish Galgo breed. Hernando de Soto also brought these dogs to North America, where they interbred with Native American dogs, known now as "Carolina Dogs", to produce the Catahoula Leopard Dog, Blackmouth Cur, Florida Cur and other "Cur" breeds that developed throughout the southern US. Occasionally, some lines of Catahoula will produce a huge "throwback" dog that closely resembles the Spanish Alano Mastiffs. I wanted to increase your warning level for stealing a youtube comment but it is already 100% so I guess I can't. It's also an incorrect youtube comment, but that's neither here nor there. Damnit, can’t fool you! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 19:16:04 GMT
The dogs that the Conquistadores brought to the New World as bioweapons weren't modern Mastiffs and Greyhounds. The Molosser breed was known as "Alano", and it probably looked more like a muscular Great Dane, which is one of its descendants. In fact, in Italy, the Great Dane is still known as an "Alano". This ancient Alano is not to be confused with the modern designer breed of the same name, which is more Bulldog-like. The Spanish Mastiff shown at the first of the video is a livestock-guarding breed, bred for reduced prey drive(otherwise they'd attack the livestock they are meant to protect), and are NOT related to the war dogs of the Spaniards. The sighthound breed used by the Spaniards was more aggressive than most modern sighthound breeds, and was the ancestor of the Spanish Galgo breed. Hernando de Soto also brought these dogs to North America, where they interbred with Native American dogs, known now as "Carolina Dogs", to produce the Catahoula Leopard Dog, Blackmouth Cur, Florida Cur and other "Cur" breeds that developed throughout the southern US. Occasionally, some lines of Catahoula will produce a huge "throwback" dog that closely resembles the Spanish Alano Mastiffs. I wanted to increase your warning level for stealing a youtube comment but it is already 100% so I guess I can't. It's also an incorrect youtube comment, but that's neither here nor there. Now that I’ve been caught red handed, why is it incorrect? Enlighten me. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 8, 2023 20:25:24 GMT
I wanted to increase your warning level for stealing a youtube comment but it is already 100% so I guess I can't. It's also an incorrect youtube comment, but that's neither here nor there. Now that I’ve been caught red handed, why is it incorrect? Enlighten me. true. False. Wasn't a breed. It was a pool of mongrel hunting dogs. Hence why it is described as "mastiffs and greyhounds". What they are referring to is mongrel hunting dogs that ranged from hunting greyhounds aka staghounds and wolfhounds, up through bulldogs and bullmastiffs, and then to hybrid "boarhound" blends of bulldog/bullmastiff and greyhound/staghound/wolfhound. No "breeds" among them, all working mongrel dogs. No uniform homogenous "dog" of any one kind, or even 2 kinds, but mostly sighthounds and bullbreeds and hybrid combinations of the two bred for the purpose of hunting game and feeding the conquistadors with meat. These same dogs were then trained to attack people, which was no big jump as they were "point and shoot" attack dogs at their essence any way. They just needed guidance to see the natives as "prey", which is a fairly simple process. Every hunting dog is "educated" on what is appropriate prey. Over time breeding these dogs with an emphasis on aptitude for targetting humans would generate a slightly modified boarhound that averaged a larger size and this was commonly known as a "bloodhound" across many colonial outposts. Again not a breed, and definitely not to be confused with the modern bloodhound breed. It was a mix of bull/mastiff and large sighthound, just as a boarhound is, but "blooded" or educated to target humans and a larger build was favoured for that quarry, just as compact builds were favoured for bulls, larger builds for boars, and a sleeker faster build for deer and wolves. Humans called for the biggest build of all quarry, and bloodhounds were often over 130 lbs and sometimes up around 165 lbs. This is kind of true, the man-eating colonial bloodhounds DID resemble great danes in basic design, and had similar DNA in that they were bull/mastiff x sighthound in foundation. This is false. The great dane descends from european boarhounds, and does not descend from man-specialised bloodhounds. It is incidentally very similar because man-specialised bloodhounds are oversized boarhounds, and the great dane is also an oversized boarhound, but the great dane does not descend from colonial bloodhounds. This take on things just generally is skewed off track. The alano is not a modern designer breed, it is an ancient bulldog, so named because it descends from the gripping dog of the alans who settled on the Iberian peninsula in the 4th century AD. This alani bulldog would go on to be the foundation for most gripping dogs in medieval times, which is why they were called "alaunts", and the alaunts were divided into 3 distinct varieties based on their hybridisation to other types. The "boucheries" was the more "pure" alaunt, and the alano espanol is of the "alaunt boucheries" type. It is just a bulldog. The "alaunt gentil" was the "ferrari" alaunt, the most highly prized hunting dog, and it was alano x greyhound. "Alaunt veantre" was a heavier kind, crossed pressumably to a much larger wolfhound type or possibly even pre-existing boarhounds that pre-dated the "alani invasion". You could even say it was the original colonial bloodhound before the colonies. So the alano espanol is no modern designer breed, it's the original "alano" ingredient, the bulldog, in its ancient and fairly pure form. The great dane is an alano x. All the alaunts are so named because they descend from the alano. It is the gripping ingredient. The alaunt gentil would go on to be considered a better animal and the ultimate dog to sportsmen in the middle ages, but the core ingredient is the alano in its "boucheries" form. This is 100% true. They should not be confusing the "spanish mastiff" with "mastiffs" of the hunter's variety. LGDs and gripping dogs are not related. Its a mistake to call both "mastiffs". Not really true, their sighthounds for deer and hare would be the same as our sighthounds for deer and hare. The bull-lurchers for boar and humans were yes more formidable, not really "more aggressive", just a higher capacity for bigger game. The ones used on humans likely weren't ancestors for the spanish galgo breed. Just as the alano is the gripping dog in its original pure form, the galgo is just the sighthound side of the equation. The dogs attacking humans were primarily hybrids of both. So neither alanos nor galgos descend from them, instead they descend from alanos and galgos. Most of the man-eaters and even the boarhounds probably don't have living descendants, because hunting humans fell out of favour making the dogs redundant, at which point they are retired and disappear. You can easily recreate them by crossing the original ingredients together, but its not so easy to find their actual descendants. The fila brasileiro is a legit descendant, but as it has retired it has subsequently changed and become less functional. Kind of true, but more accurately these conquistador warhounds would be a tiny fraction of the make up of these cur hunting dogs which are comprised of lots of different types of dogs, and now are really nothing like the dogs that were attacking those natives. The dogs most like those dogs that were attacking those natives would be mongrel performance bred hunting dogs made of similar ingredients. Working bull x sighthound boar seizing dogs. Not descendants of the conquistador "war-hounds", but accurately made using the same methods the conquistadors used to make their dogs and basically the same animal. Would just require encouragement to target humans to be the same thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 4:54:35 GMT
Now that I’ve been caught red handed, why is it incorrect? Enlighten me. true. False. Wasn't a breed. It was a pool of mongrel hunting dogs. Hence why it is described as "mastiffs and greyhounds". What they are referring to is mongrel hunting dogs that ranged from hunting greyhounds aka staghounds and wolfhounds, up through bulldogs and bullmastiffs, and then to hybrid "boarhound" blends of bulldog/bullmastiff and greyhound/staghound/wolfhound. No "breeds" among them, all working mongrel dogs. No uniform homogenous "dog" of any one kind, or even 2 kinds, but mostly sighthounds and bullbreeds and hybrid combinations of the two bred for the purpose of hunting game and feeding the conquistadors with meat. These same dogs were then trained to attack people, which was no big jump as they were "point and shoot" attack dogs at their essence any way. They just needed guidance to see the natives as "prey", which is a fairly simple process. Every hunting dog is "educated" on what is appropriate prey. Over time breeding these dogs with an emphasis on aptitude for targetting humans would generate a slightly modified boarhound that averaged a larger size and this was commonly known as a "bloodhound" across many colonial outposts. Again not a breed, and definitely not to be confused with the modern bloodhound breed. It was a mix of bull/mastiff and large sighthound, just as a boarhound is, but "blooded" or educated to target humans and a larger build was favoured for that quarry, just as compact builds were favoured for bulls, larger builds for boars, and a sleeker faster build for deer and wolves. Humans called for the biggest build of all quarry, and bloodhounds were often over 130 lbs and sometimes up around 165 lbs. This is kind of true, the man-eating colonial bloodhounds DID resemble great danes in basic design, and had similar DNA in that they were bull/mastiff x sighthound in foundation. This is false. The great dane descends from european boarhounds, and does not descend from man-specialised bloodhounds. It is incidentally very similar because man-specialised bloodhounds are oversized boarhounds, and the great dane is also an oversized boarhound, but the great dane does not descend from colonial bloodhounds. This take on things just generally is skewed off track. The alano is not a modern designer breed, it is an ancient bulldog, so named because it descends from the gripping dog of the alans who settled on the Iberian peninsula in the 4th century AD. This alani bulldog would go on to be the foundation for most gripping dogs in medieval times, which is why they were called "alaunts", and the alaunts were divided into 3 distinct varieties based on their hybridisation to other types. The "boucheries" was the more "pure" alaunt, and the alano espanol is of the "alaunt boucheries" type. It is just a bulldog. The "alaunt gentil" was the "ferrari" alaunt, the most highly prized hunting dog, and it was alano x greyhound. "Alaunt veantre" was a heavier kind, crossed pressumably to a much larger wolfhound type or possibly even pre-existing boarhounds that pre-dated the "alani invasion". You could even say it was the original colonial bloodhound before the colonies. So the alano espanol is no modern designer breed, it's the original "alano" ingredient, the bulldog, in its ancient and fairly pure form. The great dane is an alano x. All the alaunts are so named because they descend from the alano. It is the gripping ingredient. The alaunt gentil would go on to be considered a better animal and the ultimate dog to sportsmen in the middle ages, but the core ingredient is the alano in its "boucheries" form. This is 100% true. They should not be confusing the "spanish mastiff" with "mastiffs" of the hunter's variety. LGDs and gripping dogs are not related. Its a mistake to call both "mastiffs". Not really true, their sighthounds for deer and hare would be the same as our sighthounds for deer and hare. The bull-lurchers for boar and humans were yes more formidable, not really "more aggressive", just a higher capacity for bigger game. The ones used on humans likely weren't ancestors for the spanish galgo breed. Just as the alano is the gripping dog in its original pure form, the galgo is just the sighthound side of the equation. The dogs attacking humans were primarily hybrids of both. So neither alanos nor galgos descend from them, instead they descend from alanos and galgos. Most of the man-eaters and even the boarhounds probably don't have living descendants, because hunting humans fell out of favour making the dogs redundant, at which point they are retired and disappear. You can easily recreate them by crossing the original ingredients together, but its not so easy to find their actual descendants. The fila brasileiro is a legit descendant, but as it has retired it has subsequently changed and become less functional. Kind of true, but more accurately these conquistador warhounds would be a tiny fraction of the make up of these cur hunting dogs which are comprised of lots of different types of dogs, and now are really nothing like the dogs that were attacking those natives. The dogs most like those dogs that were attacking those natives would be mongrel performance bred hunting dogs made of similar ingredients. Working bull x sighthound boar seizing dogs. Not descendants of the conquistador "war-hounds", but accurately made using the same methods the conquistadors used to make their dogs and basically the same animal. Would just require encouragement to target humans to be the same thing. Nice post, but I think another commenter conveyed a similar message more succinctly. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jun 9, 2023 6:49:05 GMT
That guy is correct.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 4, 2023 8:36:42 GMT
One of the better videos about the subject I've seen, but some of the pics and the understanding of what is meant by "mastiffs and greyhounds" is of course poor. The part where it mentions they were dogs used to hunt boar and stags, then trained to attack humans... that's rarely mentioned so clearly but something I figured out myself. They weren't "mastiffs and greyhounds", they were "mastiff" (alano) x "greyhound" (wolfhound and deerhound and etc) and some threw more sighthound, some more alano, but many in between and those in between were the biggest and nastiest ones. Was very interesting to watch, for sure the Spanish inheredited the use of strong dogs in war from their roman grandfathers lol. How realistic is the weight claim in that video? "200 lb mastiffs". Not sure those existed as functional animals back then. They don't exist today except for Great Danes. Also interestingly , most of historical depictions of these war dogs show dogs that are almost nothing close to what we would define a mastiff, most of them look like deerhounds or Staghounds ~ 1_wkwHWg4dHnFlylwjs9C4GA.webp (45.59 KB)     |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 4, 2023 9:03:39 GMT
grippingwhiteness200 lbs is no doubt an exaggeration, and you're right, clearly in most of the artwork depicting these atrocities it was not giant dogs used. BUT at the same time, out of all "quarry", human prey generated the evolution of the biggest working dogs in history. I think originally a lot of the dogs used on natives by the early explorers were just whatever hunting dogs they had (for the purpose of catching deer and boar and etc - which the video actually mentions they were)- some alanos, some galgos, some wolfhounds and boarhounds... but later as these colonial empires took root and settled (in the new world and other locations), they would breed dogs for humans especially which were often called "bloodhounds", and they did genuinely produce some very big dogs. Some documented examples-   From everything I have read colonial man-focused "bloodhounds" (really oversized boarhounds) really were quite huge. At a time when "mastiffs" were often described as 65 - 90 lbs, bloodhounds get mentioned as 130 - 165 lbs. Sometimes more.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 4, 2023 10:25:47 GMT
grippingwhiteness 200 lbs is no doubt an exaggeration, and you're right, clearly in most of the artwork depicting these atrocities it was not giant dogs used. BUT at the same time, out of all "quarry", human prey generated the evolution of the biggest working dogs in history. I think originally a lot of the dogs used on natives by the early explorers were just whatever hunting dogs they had (for the purpose of catching deer and boar and etc - which the video actually mentions they were)- some alanos, some galgos, some wolfhounds and boarhounds... but later as these colonial empires took root and settled (in the new world and other locations), they would breed dogs for humans especially which were often called "bloodhounds", and they did genuinely produce some very big dogs. Some documented examples- From everything I have read colonial man-focused "bloodhounds" (really oversized boarhounds) really were quite huge. At a time when "mastiffs" were often described as 65 - 90 lbs, bloodhounds get mentioned as 130 - 165 lbs. Sometimes more. Found the actual picture of Hero.  Could be in a better shape, similar to this alano Espanol, but he's good looking for being allegedly over 180 lbs.  _ This topic btw sparks sometype of nostalgia in me because early 2020 when I learned more about the topic of dogs of war(also due to the fact I was studying spanish conquest of Americas during that time) I was in my peak of hate towards poachers and trophy hunters and I started daydreaming of me in the future hunting down these people, like rangers already do, but with dogs aswell. Namely I was choosing dogo argentinos, apbts and boer-greys as candidates back then. I called that practice as "human hunting". Not sure if I'd still do it now given the chance, must be noted that modern poachers are armed with guns instead of spears and even historical dog armour on dogs would be kinda useless as protection |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 4, 2023 10:45:18 GMT
grippingwhiteness 200 lbs is no doubt an exaggeration, and you're right, clearly in most of the artwork depicting these atrocities it was not giant dogs used. BUT at the same time, out of all "quarry", human prey generated the evolution of the biggest working dogs in history. I think originally a lot of the dogs used on natives by the early explorers were just whatever hunting dogs they had (for the purpose of catching deer and boar and etc - which the video actually mentions they were)- some alanos, some galgos, some wolfhounds and boarhounds... but later as these colonial empires took root and settled (in the new world and other locations), they would breed dogs for humans especially which were often called "bloodhounds", and they did genuinely produce some very big dogs. Some documented examples- From everything I have read colonial man-focused "bloodhounds" (really oversized boarhounds) really were quite huge. At a time when "mastiffs" were often described as 65 - 90 lbs, bloodhounds get mentioned as 130 - 165 lbs. Sometimes more. Found the actual picture of Hero. View AttachmentCould be in a better shape, similar to this alano Espanol, but he's good looking for being allegedly over 180 lbs. View Attachment_ This topic btw sparks sometype of nostalgia in me because early 2020 when I learned more about the topic of dogs of war(also due to the fact I was studying spanish conquest of Americas during that time) I was in my peak of hate towards poachers and trophy hunters and I started daydreaming of me in the future hunting down these people, like rangers already do, but with dogs aswell. Namely I was choosing dogo argentinos, apbts and boer-greys as candidates back then. I called that practice as "human hunting". Not sure if I'd still do it now given the chance, must be noted that modern poachers are armed with guns instead of spears and even historical dog armour on dogs would be kinda useless as protection Yes, the "elephant in the room" is that he looks fat (and spot doesn't look in perfect shape either), and that kind of makes sense because they were just hanging around at a prison, intimidating the prisoners and waiting for some to escape before they'd actually get to "hunt". They wouldn't have been getting much exercise at that point. That's one of the problems with "man-dogs", it is hard for them to get enough work in order to be streamlined serious working dog lineages. Even in the 1800s it seems this was an issue. But it mentions these dogs were also used in the civil war earlier in their lives, at which point they would have been fitter. Crucially you have to look at the height and length, they are enormous dogs. Spot is 36 inches tall and Hero is 38 inches tall, the length of hero is then long even relative to his enormous height. He's kind of low slung. So yeah they are out of shape, but they would have had a "fit" prime at one point, and they are massive regardless (literally 10 inches taller than an alano). Hunting humans is a fun thing to think about it. Guys on dirt bikes in my favourite wilderness spots make me think about it sometimes. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 4, 2023 12:22:04 GMT
Found the actual picture of Hero. View AttachmentCould be in a better shape, similar to this alano Espanol, but he's good looking for being allegedly over 180 lbs. View Attachment_ This topic btw sparks sometype of nostalgia in me because early 2020 when I learned more about the topic of dogs of war(also due to the fact I was studying spanish conquest of Americas during that time) I was in my peak of hate towards poachers and trophy hunters and I started daydreaming of me in the future hunting down these people, like rangers already do, but with dogs aswell. Namely I was choosing dogo argentinos, apbts and boer-greys as candidates back then. I called that practice as "human hunting". Not sure if I'd still do it now given the chance, must be noted that modern poachers are armed with guns instead of spears and even historical dog armour on dogs would be kinda useless as protection Yes, the "elephant in the room" is that he looks fat (and spot doesn't look in perfect shape either), and that kind of makes sense because they were just hanging around at a prison, intimidating the prisoners and waiting for some to escape before they'd actually get to "hunt". They wouldn't have been getting much exercise at that point. That's one of the problems with "man-dogs", it is hard for them to get enough work in order to be streamlined serious working dog lineages. Even in the 1800s it seems this was an issue. But it mentions these dogs were also used in the civil war earlier in their lives, at which point they would have been fitter. Crucially you have to look at the height and length, they are enormous dogs. Spot is 36 inches tall and Hero is 38 inches tall, the length of hero is then long even relative to his enormous height. He's kind of low slung. So yeah they are out of shape, but they would have had a "fit" prime at one point, and they are massive regardless (literally 10 inches taller than an alano). Hunting humans is a fun thing to think about it. Guys on dirt bikes in my favourite wilderness spots make me think about it sometimes. Yea, they were very tall animals, Hero is even slightly taller than the largest reliable dimensions reported for the grey wolf and spotted hyena (both around 36 inches) and about as tall as the tallest cheetah ever and yet he's barely 195 lb despite being overweight, this really speaks volumes about the endurance and raw strength those animals must have had when in shape, truly elite endurance runners that probably reminded you of Irish wolfhounds but with molossian strength when the catch moment took place.
Their build is very interesting, not gonna lie.
Spot is surely on the better side regarding it's body condition, sure it's not ideal but I'd compare it (despite it being only a photograph but that's all we got) to this rare old working English Mastiff. 
Could be definitely better shape, perhaps similar to this working Cane Corso, but it ain't bad for sure. Hero isn't that bad either but the bloated body clearly sparks at first glance, he does look way more overweight than Spot, he kinda reminds me of the vast majority of heavyweight bully kuttas that are just overweight slow dogs for most of the time:  
While the ideal would be this -   Built like this on those bloodhounds would be supreme, really the perfection of the perfection imo, sometimes I guess I also get too much inspiration from the body condition of some old school Great Danes whose physique really turns our pupils into hearts  
Yes human hunting is funny and interesting, and don't get me wrong, that's actually my deepest dream since I've been more aware how bad conservation of big game in this world is actually fairing. While it's moderate and acceptable in India, in the rest of asia and africa, from Namibia to Congo, from Gabon to Pakistan and Afghanistan, from Borneo to Sumatra and Java, I've started developing this actual dream of human hunting with dogs very quickly. The coincidence was that I started studying conquistadors in school exactly during that time, so I actually got some type of inspiration. I also just started learning about dogo argentino and boarhounds recently in that time, so you can make the connection of how things turned into my mind during that time.
*sees the gore and graphic content about how poachers and trophy hunters kill white and black rhinos, skin alive drugged sumatran tiger leaving it dying by bloodloss when it's just all muscles*
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*Learns about Kinesaa Johnson, an ex military woman that hunts down and shoots poachers on sight*
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*Starts learning in school about conquistadors and therefore their wardogs used to maul into oblivion entire villages of indians*
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*Meets dogo argentino for the first time and sees how they are used for catching boars in the deep wilderness alone in groups of one or more*
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You know.
Now I'm really new here and I really wish nobody here starts interpreting my posts and words as those of a freak mentally ill psychopath that wants to actually to do that for "fun". But I think that this thing MAY have a very great success as method to cull the activity of poachers, if only they weren't armed with actual guns.
Do you actually consider that my dream-idea could somewhat work?
In your very honest opinion how should I build the group to start a very successful poacher hunting with catchdogs accompanied by anti-poaching ranger? What dogs should be used? With which type of armor to try to belittle the gun damage they'd take (imo there's no armor that can save you from gunshots) and how should rangers be equipped? Perhaps like moto assaulting soldiers ? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 4, 2023 12:35:07 GMT
Well as a military guy you could potentially head down that path. They already DO "hunt" poachers with dogs in Africa, usually bloodhounds (actual modern bloodhounds, no relation to the colonial era bloodhounds) and Malinois or GSD or Dutch sheps. Working together. The latter serving almost like "lead in catch dogs" for the bloodhounds who track the poachers over long distances.
But you're a young guy, there's no reason you couldn't pursue that dream, get into that line of work, and then climb up the ranks until you are powerful enough to make executive decisions on the dogs used, and you could recreate the OLD style of bloodhounds for your "team" to use.
I've actually had the dream of recreating the lost colonial bloodhound as well, but realistically you can't actually recreate a dog if you don't have the work. I guess you are in a position where you could MAYBE actually aspire to be in that, now very rare, line of work, and thus genuinely performance breed authentic "man dogs".
They need another term, whenever I say "bloodhound" it confuses the shit out of people. Poacher hunting dogs have also been called "night dogs", which is pretty cool. Maybe you could think about going with that.
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