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Post by Hardcastle on May 28, 2023 6:47:30 GMT
I can agree with Wyatt that I've definitely seen more intense wolf fights, this almost looks like a friendly disagreement. I'm never impressed by their fighting ability, but I know the fights can get more urgent and serious than that one was.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 6:54:56 GMT
About the coyotes vs lone wolf video, that too was not any proof of anything.
First, that lone wolf was not interested, but thats because most lone wolves aren’t. They’re smart enough to know they’re a lone wolf and can’t have numbers. Therefore obviously they’re gonna be less pushy when a pack of coyotes come along, its not worth it.
Second, coyotes are masters at sensing weakness in both wolves and dogs. This is why pets are eaten so many times, because that coyote will know that the dog has no experience and doesn’t know what to do. The same happened here. They knew this wolf was just scavenging and ignored them, and then they sensed that. And those coyotes did not do anything but nip at the wolf, nothing more nothing less.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 7:06:25 GMT
I can agree with Wyatt that I've definitely seen more intense wolf fights, this almost looks like a friendly disagreement. I'm never impressed by their fighting ability, but I know the fights can get more urgent and serious than that one was. I don’t think wolves are that good of fighters but that video is not even a good representation of a wolf fight, this is just way too downplayed. |
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Post by Musth on May 28, 2023 8:35:33 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. If you believe thats the average wolf fight you’re mistaken. Im not even arguing the wolf is a good fighter but this is worse than just not good. Its wolves that are interested in fighting but don’t put any energy or any grit into it, aside from the bites thrown it seems like they were tumbling on top one another. I’ve seen what a lugger wolf can do to another wolf, there are videos. This is not one of them. Post some better wolf fights then. |
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Post by Bolushi on May 28, 2023 13:32:51 GMT
Who is Oliver Starr? Honestly most of the general public believe the wolf is the best fighting canine on earth, and better than dogs at everything, basically. Yes it's absurd, but this is the disrespect dog fans have to deal with. Wolf biologist or smth on Quora. Popular guy and definitely handicapped. |
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Post by ophio on May 28, 2023 15:34:30 GMT
Who is Oliver Starr? Honestly most of the general public believe the wolf is the best fighting canine on earth, and better than dogs at everything, basically. Yes it's absurd, but this is the disrespect dog fans have to deal with. Wolf biologist or smth on Quora. Popular guy and definitely handicapped. Nah he's just a rich retired dude with pet wolves. Like any guy he thinks his pet will eat your pet and if he's a rich guy he probably has some ego. Considering his YouTube averages 20 views I won't call him popular. That being said it's still cool he works with wolves and his hands on experience is very valuable in talking about wolves. More so than what we think |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 19:52:34 GMT
If you believe thats the average wolf fight you’re mistaken. Im not even arguing the wolf is a good fighter but this is worse than just not good. Its wolves that are interested in fighting but don’t put any energy or any grit into it, aside from the bites thrown it seems like they were tumbling on top one another. I’ve seen what a lugger wolf can do to another wolf, there are videos. This is not one of them. Post some better wolf fights then. Yes because this is totally normally how wolves fight, even though if they fought like this regularly, the leading cause of death for wolves wouldn’t be other wolves and I don’t even know what wolves would be. Aside from sarcasm I don’t see how anyone sees this as how wolves fight. The video ophio posted is wolves throwing bites at each other and toppling on top of each other, not with any grit or energy, it didn’t even seem intense. |
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Post by Bolushi on May 28, 2023 20:21:47 GMT
Wolf biologist or smth on Quora. Popular guy and definitely handicapped. Nah he's just a rich retired dude with pet wolves. Like any guy he thinks his pet will eat your pet and if he's a rich guy he probably has some ego. Considering his YouTube averages 20 views I won't call him popular. That being said it's still cool he works with wolves and his hands on experience is very valuable in talking about wolves. More so than what we think He's a wolf activist. Looked it up. He doesn't even know much about wolves. |
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Post by ophio on May 28, 2023 20:24:45 GMT
Nah he's just a rich retired dude with pet wolves. Like any guy he thinks his pet will eat your pet and if he's a rich guy he probably has some ego. Considering his YouTube averages 20 views I won't call him popular. That being said it's still cool he works with wolves and his hands on experience is very valuable in talking about wolves. More so than what we think He's a wolf activist. Looked it up. He doesn't even know much about wolves. I mean he literally lives with wolves, I'd argue he knows more than scientists about certain aspects |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 28, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
He's a wolf activist. Looked it up. He doesn't even know much about wolves. I mean he literally lives with wolves, I'd argue he knows more than scientists about certain aspects Anyone who lives with wolves is typically just gonna be an extremist wolfaboo weirdo. That's a very big step to take, so he just probably has next level bias and blinders on when it comes to wolf weakness. This applies to a lot of people who even might be the "leading experts", like really they dedicated their whole life to studying T-Rex fossils? That's weird, that guy must be a hugely obsessed nerd, I probably won't be taking his word on t-rex capabilities too seriously because he obvious has way too much skin in the game. There are exceptions of course, in the end I'll judge someone by their words. Some extreme fans of animals who become experts actually sober with time through deep analysis and learn to love the animal for what it really is, move away from the school boy "My dad can beat your dad" type shit, but others just stay seated right in that spot of "totem worship" their whole lives. In my experience, and this sounds like a joke but it's true, it depends how much of a dork they are. Some nerd that never touches grass and doesn't understand the mechanics of real physical interaction and competition and etc tends to retain cartoonish ideas about "razor sharp claws" and "kill with a swipe" type crap. You can't be too focused and obsessed with one thing or you have no frame of reference where to put that thing and where its limitations will be. Keep in mind I don't know this wolf guy you are talking about (if I know him I forgot about him), he could be anything, but these are my thoughts regarding experts in general and people obsessed with specific animals. An easy rule of thumb to use, is do you ever hear them talking about what their animal is bad at? Do they ever acknowledge weakness of any kind or is it just all always about how amazing and great their animal is? Because no animal is immune to weaknesses, every animal is a perfect balance of strengths and weaknesses, if someone portrays their animal as ONLY strengths you can pretty much just write them off from the start. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 28, 2023 21:19:42 GMT
Post some better wolf fights then. Yes because this is totally normally how wolves fight, even though if they fought like this regularly, the leading cause of death for wolves wouldn’t be other wolves and I don’t even know what wolves would be. Aside from sarcasm I don’t see how anyone sees this as how wolves fight. The video ophio posted is wolves throwing bites at each other and toppling on top of each other, not with any grit or energy, it didn’t even seem intense. You could still post a better wolf fight though, right? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 21:46:05 GMT
Yes because this is totally normally how wolves fight, even though if they fought like this regularly, the leading cause of death for wolves wouldn’t be other wolves and I don’t even know what wolves would be. Aside from sarcasm I don’t see how anyone sees this as how wolves fight. The video ophio posted is wolves throwing bites at each other and toppling on top of each other, not with any grit or energy, it didn’t even seem intense. You could still post a better wolf fight though, right? Actually probably not. Thats just because of the surprising scarcity of wolf fight videos. I do know there are better wolf fights but finding a video is different. I’ll post a picture, a study, etc. anything I can find though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 21:48:51 GMT
I mean he literally lives with wolves, I'd argue he knows more than scientists about certain aspects Anyone who lives with wolves is typically just gonna be an extremist wolfaboo weirdo. That's a very big step to take, so he just probably has next level bias and blinders on when it comes to wolf weakness. This applies to a lot of people who even might be the "leading experts", like really they dedicated their whole life to studying T-Rex fossils? That's weird, that guy must be a hugely obsessed nerd, I probably won't be taking his word on t-rex capabilities too seriously because he obvious has way too much skin in the game. There are exceptions of course, in the end I'll judge someone by their words. Some extreme fans of animals who become experts actually sober with time through deep analysis and learn to love the animal for what it really is, move away from the school boy "My dad can beat your dad" type shit, but others just stay seated right in that spot of "totem worship" their whole lives. In my experience, and this sounds like a joke but it's true, it depends how much of a dork they are. Some nerd that never touches grass and doesn't understand the mechanics of real physical interaction and competition and etc tends to retain cartoonish ideas about "razor sharp claws" and "kill with a swipe" type crap. You can't be too focused and obsessed with one thing or you have no frame of reference where to put that thing and where its limitations will be. Keep in mind I don't know this wolf guy you are talking about (if I know him I forgot about him), he could be anything, but these are my thoughts regarding experts in general and people obsessed with specific animals. An easy rule of thumb to use, is do you ever hear them talking about what their animal is bad at? Do they ever acknowledge weakness of any kind or is it just all always about how amazing and great their animal is? Because no animal is immune to weaknesses, every animal is a perfect balance of strengths and weaknesses, if someone portrays their animal as ONLY strengths you can pretty much just write them off from the start. The issue with him being a wolfaboo is he believes because he lives with wolves he can spread misinformation about them. First, there is no alpha. That has been debunked for wild wolves, that was all a captive wolf pack. A wild wolf pack is just a huge extended family and any other members they decide to accept. A captive wolf pack is random wolves jumbled together. For example, David Mech studies wolves but he is actually realistic about it. He doesn’t overestimate wolves nor does he underestimate them. He even admitted there is no alpha in wolf packs, even though he popularized the term in the first place. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 28, 2023 22:11:34 GMT
You could still post a better wolf fight though, right? Actually probably not. Thats just because of the surprising scarcity of wolf fight videos. I do know there are better wolf fights but finding a video is different. I’ll post a picture, a study, etc. anything I can find though. Well I haven't tried to look, so you might be right. I do agree I've seen far more intense wolf fights, but there still wasn't impressive fighting ability. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 22:22:23 GMT
Actually probably not. Thats just because of the surprising scarcity of wolf fight videos. I do know there are better wolf fights but finding a video is different. I’ll post a picture, a study, etc. anything I can find though. Well I haven't tried to look, so you might be right. I do agree I've seen far more intense wolf fights, but there still wasn't impressive fighting ability. There was great fighting ability, not in that video ophio sent but in the videos I sent. Its just usually territorial disagreements do not end up in those fights. |
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