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Post by Musth on May 24, 2023 21:23:17 GMT
 Dire Wolf, Male 150lbs  VS Naggi Bully Kutta, Male 150lbs  Parity Matchup. <style type="text/css"></style><style type="text/css">[class*="NotificationsBell__notificationsWrapper-"]{display:none !important;}a[href^="https://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}#ad1{display:none !important;}#gravity-stories-1{display:none !important;}[class^="adjust-smart-banner"]{display:none !important;}amp-app-banner{display:none !important;}[id^="ad-"], #remove_ads_link{display:none !important;}a[href^="http://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}</style><style type="text/css"></style><style type="text/css">[class*="NotificationsBell__notificationsWrapper-"]{display:none !important;}a[href^="http://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}[class^="adjust-smart-banner"]{display:none !important;}[id^="ad-"], #remove_ads_link{display:none !important;}amp-app-banner{display:none !important;}#gravity-stories-1{display:none !important;}a[href^="https://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}#ad1{display:none !important;}</style> |
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Post by Bolushi on May 24, 2023 22:01:08 GMT
It could be close but I'd bet on the fighting canine as opposed to the wild canine.
I think the BK overpowers the dire wolf through skill after exchanging some holds. Dire wolf would cause a lot of damage early but once the BK got control (an inevitable situation IMO) it would be wreaking havoc on the DW's anatomy and the DW would fold under pressure.
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 26, 2023 5:54:23 GMT
I'd be interested in skull measurements on the Bully Kutta; it seems like a really huge dog in weight as well as general dimensions; is there any information on that?
I haven't read much about the dire wolf (who now isn't even a wolf) in terms of skull mechanics; I know their skulls are very big, some exceeding 310mm which is a good deal larger than the biggest wolf skulls today. On Wikipedia it states that the dire wolf had carnassial teeth very much adapted for shearing meat off the bone, even more so than modern wolves and that the canine teeth were very flexible in comparison to modern canids which would allow for more options when struggling with an adversary.
While I would completely back the BK over a modern wolf without any hesitation (except for the rare complete freak 70kg behemoth wolf who can put up a challenge in my opinion but at the same time I guess there can be much larger than average and functional BKs too to balance it out), I think this would be a good battle considering the larger dire wolves averaged close to 70kg with even deadlier weaponry compared to modern wolves.
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Post by Bolushi on May 26, 2023 6:25:15 GMT
I'd be interested in skull measurements on the Bully Kutta; it seems like a really huge dog in weight as well as general dimensions; is there any information on that? I haven't read much about the dire wolf (who now isn't even a wolf) in terms of skull mechanics; I know their skulls are very big, some exceeding 310mm which is a good deal larger than the biggest wolf skulls today. On Wikipedia it states that the dire wolf had carnassial teeth very much adapted for shearing meat off the bone, even more so than modern wolves and that the canine teeth were very flexible in comparison to modern canids which would allow for more options when struggling with an adversary. While I would completely back the BK over a modern wolf without any hesitation (except for the rare complete freak 70kg behemoth wolf who can put up a challenge in my opinion but at the same time I guess there can be much larger than average and functional BKs too to balance it out), I think this would be a good battle considering the larger dire wolves averaged close to 70kg with even deadlier weaponry compared to modern wolves. Well most Bully Kuttas are basically working Great Danes marooned in Pakistan, so the skull measurements for Great Danes would apply here. skullbase.info/skulls/dogs/great_Dane.phpBKs vary a fair bit, so some will be different than others. They vary more than Danes since the Dane has a closed studbook and also is a shitty show dog. However on the inside they're not any different really. Yeah this is a good one. Could go either way but BKs have fought through horrendous injuries, and dealt horrendous injuries (and death) themselves. So I think this canine, while it might cause terrible terrible injuries, couldn't put away the BK in a timely enough manner before the BK gains control and mauls the "wolf" to death. |
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Post by ophio on May 27, 2023 18:16:48 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down.
We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 27, 2023 22:44:17 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. Which dog has weaker skin? Bully kutta's have much tougher skin than wolves. Most dogs do actually, but especially dogs like bully kuttas. We have to speculate with the dire wolf but all indications suggest it was essentially a large dhole. We know this based on dentition, sexual dimorphism (or specifically the lack of it), it's compact feet and the proportional robusticity matches the dhole as well (even though it's thought of as "extremely robust", it isn't, just slightly more robust than the wolf). A giant dhole (the dire wolf) seems like it would have been quite the impressive animal, but very specialised for pack cohesion and likely very little experience with one-on-one scraps. |
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Post by Musth on May 27, 2023 23:10:54 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. Thanks for the video. But wow…. Just goes to show you how shitty wild animals are at fighting vs ones bred solely purpose is for combat…. Night and day difference. The wolf is so huge and devastating bite. A physical beast. But that’s literally all it has. Compared to an actual fighting dog, they are horrid fighters. Constantly running away, giving up their backs… giving snaps and never fully locking or even engaging. Just giving snaps and curring every 20 seconds. Attacking the face vs attacking the throat… Anyways they fight like a wild animal, to be expected honestly. Give your back up and run against a BK or any fighting dog it’s gonna get its ass kicked. The BK is gonna latch and hold on, and the wolfs only chance would be to run away and break off completely. |
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Post by Musth on May 27, 2023 23:16:29 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. Which dog has weaker skin? Bully kutta's have much tougher skin than wolves. Most dogs do actually, but especially dogs like bully kuttas. We have to speculate with the dire wolf but all indications suggest it was essentially a large dhole. We know this based on dentition, sexual dimorphism (or specifically the lack of it), it's compact feet and the proportional robusticity matches the dhole as well (even though it's thought of as "extremely robust", it isn't, just slightly more robust than the wolf). A giant dhole (the dire wolf) seems like it would have been quite the impressive animal, but very specialised for pack cohesion and likely very little experience with one-on-one scraps. Honestly never heard of Dire wolf being related to dhole just till this thread…. Lol. But yeah I agree with you. Gives me more of a reason to favour the BK in one on one combat to be honest. But as pack hunters and a predator as a whole, fire wolves would have been beasts. |
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Post by ophio on May 27, 2023 23:26:35 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. Thanks for the video. But wow…. Just goes to show you how shitty wild animals are at fighting vs ones bred solely purpose is for combat…. Night and day difference. The wolf is so huge and devastating bite. A physical beast. But that’s literally all it has. Compared to an actual fighting dog, they are horrid fighters. Constantly running away, giving up their backs… giving snaps and never fully locking or even engaging. Just giving snaps and curring every 20 seconds. Attacking the face vs attacking the throat… Anyways they fight like a wild animal, to be expected honestly. Give your back up and run against a BK or any fighting dog it’s gonna get its ass kicked. The BK is gonna latch and hold on, and the wolfs only chance would be to run away and break off completely. Thanks for your perspective, I agree that this was a rather "amateur" level fight but it does show how a wolf will approach a dog somewhat. The black wolf tried to neutralize the grey wolf by biting its snout but I don't think it was able to generate enough force to hold the grey wolf's jaw for any meaningful time. It did seem to weaken the grey wolf to a point where it ran away from the fight. I think that the dog needs to avoid having the wolf hold onto its snout for too long, but beyond that, it should be able to overpower the physically larger wolf because its size makes it a bigger target if the dog gets a good hold. Also is it just me who is reminded of elephant seals after watching wolves fighting. They do the whole bodyslam with the clash of heads. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 28, 2023 0:18:02 GMT
Which dog has weaker skin? Bully kutta's have much tougher skin than wolves. Most dogs do actually, but especially dogs like bully kuttas. We have to speculate with the dire wolf but all indications suggest it was essentially a large dhole. We know this based on dentition, sexual dimorphism (or specifically the lack of it), it's compact feet and the proportional robusticity matches the dhole as well (even though it's thought of as "extremely robust", it isn't, just slightly more robust than the wolf). A giant dhole (the dire wolf) seems like it would have been quite the impressive animal, but very specialised for pack cohesion and likely very little experience with one-on-one scraps. Honestly never heard of Dire wolf being related to dhole just till this thread…. Lol. But yeah I agree with you. Gives me more of a reason to favour the BK in one on one combat to be honest. But as pack hunters and a predator as a whole, fire wolves would have been beasts. They aren't that closely related, but all signs point to them being similar to dholes and AWDs. History had had a few different canines like that which formed huge packs that were extremely cohesive and had no in-fighting. AWDs, Dholes and Bush dogs are three species which remain that are like this, but Dire Wolves (aka aenocyon), Canis Chilliensis, Xenocyon (Antonii, Africanus, Falconeri, lycaonoides) are all examples of extinct dogs that were like this as well. The wolf is a little odd because it's actually more like a jackal that started forming packs and got big relatively recently. It forms these big packs sometimes but still fights a lot like an animal that shouldn't really be so social. The hyper-social pack hunting dogs of the past didn't fight, and dire wolves are one of those. |
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Post by Bolushi on May 28, 2023 5:30:38 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. Thanks for the video. But wow…. Just goes to show you how shitty wild animals are at fighting vs ones bred solely purpose is for combat…. Night and day difference. The wolf is so huge and devastating bite. A physical beast. But that’s literally all it has. Compared to an actual fighting dog, they are horrid fighters. Constantly running away, giving up their backs… giving snaps and never fully locking or even engaging. Just giving snaps and curring every 20 seconds. Attacking the face vs attacking the throat… Anyways they fight like a wild animal, to be expected honestly. Give your back up and run against a BK or any fighting dog it’s gonna get its ass kicked. The BK is gonna latch and hold on, and the wolfs only chance would be to run away and break off completely. No clue how that retarded old man Oliver Starr sees that shit and goes "this is the best fighting canine on earth". |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 28, 2023 6:22:15 GMT
Who is Oliver Starr?
Honestly most of the general public believe the wolf is the best fighting canine on earth, and better than dogs at everything, basically. Yes it's absurd, but this is the disrespect dog fans have to deal with.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 6:30:44 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. If you believe thats the average wolf fight you’re mistaken. Im not even arguing the wolf is a good fighter but this is worse than just not good. Its wolves that are interested in fighting but don’t put any energy or any grit into it, aside from the bites thrown it seems like they were tumbling on top one another. I’ve seen what a lugger wolf can do to another wolf, there are videos. This is not one of them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 6:33:32 GMT
And theres no “weakening” in this video. The wolves use that when hunting, not in fights.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 6:38:36 GMT
We don't know how the dire wolf fights because its extinct and may not even be a wolf, but we do know that actual wolves also fight by getting a good grip and trying to overpower their enemy, oftentimes assisted by their pack members so it will be used to the dog's fighting style. The wolves do disengage often to get a better bite or as their opponent wriggles away. I don't know how tall dire wolves are but a big grey wolf should have the height and leverage advantage in a grappling match but the high center of gravity will allow it to get taken down. We also know that some dogs have weaker skin so its conceivable that if a wolf gets the first grip, it can weaken the dog via bloodloss if the dog can't get away from the bite quick enough. Compared to an actual fighting dog, they are horrid fighters. Constantly running away, giving up their backs… giving snaps and never fully locking or even engaging. Just giving snaps and curring every 20 seconds. Attacking the face vs attacking the throat You’re describing what big cats do, thats not what wolves nor fighting dogs do. Fighting dogs have specialization. Big cats will give up when they are outnumbered or its just not gonna do. |
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