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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 8:52:49 GMT
Saw a guy on a hunting site claiming that Scandinavian hunters are at the forefront of breeding the best hunting dogs in the world and have the strongest hunting dog traditions and culture, and found it odd because they'd probably be among the absolute last countries I'd consider. Maybe he knows something I don't, though.
Got me thinking, what would you guys say are the leading countries for breeding working dogs? I guess we can do different categories. Hunting dogs, herding dogs, livestock guardians, pp/attack dogs. Maybe even divide hunting further into the different categories, etc.
Obviously I'm biased for Australia and pig dogging but think it would be interesting to give "flowers" to other good dogging countries/cultures as well.
I'm gonna think about it for a while.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 9:08:52 GMT
Possible categories- HuntingTerriers Sighthounds Scenthounds Bird dogs Curs Lead-in catch Running catch hunting spitz PastoralSheep herding Cattle droving Living-fence herding/guarding Livestock guarding Herding spitz UrbanScenting and detection Police and Military k9s PP and dog sports Dog fighting  feel like I'm missing things |
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Post by Musth on May 18, 2023 9:16:25 GMT
Honestly I think USA and Australia for hunting. Canada is absolutely shit. Shit laws for hunting with dogs. Also has less workable quarry than in the states. In USA you have racoon, badger, coyote, wild boar, fox, bear, cougar, opportunity is endless honestly and a lot of states have great hunting laws when it comes to hunting with dogs. Australia is probably the same thing maybe even better laws I don’t know. Work Fox, wild boar, Roo are the main one down there. States has better opportunities for predator hunting with dogs.
LGD I guess anywhere with wolves and bears to really test the dogs. Also anywhere that doesn’t have stupid laws that prevent dogs from staying outside etc(theirs is incredibly ridiculous laws in some places lol….) Some places require lgd to wear giant sticks or bells around their necks, I’m sure that helps the lgd while guarding lol. But now thinking about it Africa would be a great place…. Lots of quarry and beasts to guard against…. Jackals, baboons, will be everywhere. Let the dogs to engage in and I’m sure they will get opportunities to do so possibly some kills under their belts. Hyenas too, leopards, and of course the ultimate test lions. So I guess Africa would be the ultimate test for LGD dogs, just so many predators and animals to guard against. The dogs will garuntee to see plenty of action vs some other places that might see a few coyote in its lifetime. I like kangal or “Anatolian” for the task, maybe some athletic, rangy, Boz shepherd dogs too.
Fighting dogs; Japan because it is legal lol.
PPD dogs anywhere close to a big city I imagine, probably somewhere in the states. But I’m not an expert when it comes to ppd work.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 9:25:50 GMT
I added dog fighting to urban, lol. Genuinely slipped my mind.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 9:28:16 GMT
That's a good point about Africa being the best location for LGDs to be "honed" to their highest potential. I just wonder if the culture is really there, or is it just conservation groups doing their best to try and place LGDs with ranchers and just getting by, maybe Africa isn't yet producing LGDs as well as say Turkey is. Not sure.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 10:00:26 GMT
Terriers
1. England
2. Ireland
3. Scotland
4. Wales
5. USA
Sighthounds
1. England
2. South Africa
3. Spain
4. Argentina
5. India
Scenthounds
1. USA
2. France
3. Germany
4. Sweden
5. Italy
Bird dogs
1. USA
2. England
3. Canada
4. Germany
5. France
Curs
1. USA
2. South Africa
3. Zimbabwe
4. Brazil
5. Argentina
Lead-in catch
1. Spain
2. USA
3. Argentina
4. Brazil
5. Australia
Running catch
1. Australia
2. Argentina
3. South Africa
4. New Zealand
5. Pakistan
hunting spitz
1. Russia
2. Japan
3. Finland
4. Norway
5. Sweden
Sheep herding
1. Australia
2. England
3. USA
4. New Zealand
5. Scotland
Cattle droving
1. Australia
2. USA
3. Brazil
4. Spain
5. Portugal
Living-fence herding/guarding
1. France
2. Germany
3. Czechia
4. Belgium
5. Netherlands
Livestock guarding
1. Turkey
2. Russia
3. Georgia
4. Kazakhstan
5. Portugal
Herding spitz
1. Russia
2. Finland
3. Norway
4. Sweden
5. Iceland
Scenting and detection
1. USA
2. Israel
3. Germany
4. England
5. Australia
Police and Military k9s
1. USA
2. Serbia
3. Czechia
4. Russia
5. Ukraine
PP and dog sports
1. USA
2. France
3. Germany
4. Czechia
5. Serbia
Dog fighting
1. USA
2. Japan
3. Puerto Rico
4. Russia
5. Romania
Lol a lot of these are guesses, NGL. Or based on very vague clues. Just a starting point to work with. Very very open to suggestions.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 10:49:34 GMT
Overall Tier list-
S
USA
A+
England
A
France
A-
Russia
B+
Australia
B
Germany
B-
South Africa
C+
Spain, Argentina
C
Czechia, Japan
C-
Brazil, Finland
D+
Serbia, Turkey, Sweden, Norway
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Ireland, Scotland, New Zealand, Israel
D-
Georgia, Canada, Zimbabwe, Puerto Rico, Sweden
E+
Portugal, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Wales
E
India, Netherlands, Ukraine, Iceland
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USA destroyed, what bullshit! lol
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 10:51:56 GMT
Oooh sled dogging and dog racing should have been included
Sled dogging
1. USA
2. Russia
3. Canada
4. Greenland
5. Norway
Dog racing
1. Australia
2. Ireland
3. New Zealand
4. England
5. USA
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 11:17:22 GMT
I wonder if it makes sense to include street dogs and feral dogs? As two separate categories?
For fun...
Street dogs
1. India
2. Afghanistan
3. Thailand
4. Ethiopia
5. Romania
Feral dogs
1. Australia
2. Russia
3. India
4. Brazil
5. Tanzania
This was a hard one as lots of countries are actually "great" in these departments.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 11:39:29 GMT
Overall Tier list- SUSA A+England AFrance A-Russia B+Australia BGermany B-South Africa C+Spain, Argentina CCzechia, Japan C-Brazil, Finland D+Serbia, Turkey, Sweden, Norway DIreland, Scotland, New Zealand, Israel D-Georgia, Canada, Zimbabwe, Puerto Rico, Sweden E+Portugal, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Wales EIndia, Netherlands, Ukraine, Iceland ----------------------------------- USA destroyed, what bullshit! lol England is only a tier below. Sent from my SM-A105FN using Tapatalk |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 11:52:57 GMT
Overall Tier list- SUSA A+England AFrance A-Russia B+Australia BGermany B-South Africa C+Spain, Argentina CCzechia, Japan C-Brazil, Finland D+Serbia, Turkey, Sweden, Norway DIreland, Scotland, New Zealand, Israel D-Georgia, Canada, Zimbabwe, Puerto Rico, Sweden E+Portugal, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Wales EIndia, Netherlands, Ukraine, Iceland ----------------------------------- USA destroyed, what bullshit! lol England is only a tier below. Sent from my SM-A105FN using Tapatalk I honestly thought England would win, but those tiers are very deceptive, USA crushed hard. I made a scoring system where you get 5 points for coming first, 4 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd, etc down to 1 point for 5th. USA got 47 points. England in second place only got 20, then the others are in the teens and single digits. Mind you I'm not super confident about these scores. I may have just gone USA by default at times. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 18, 2023 11:55:13 GMT
Overall Tier list- SUSA A+England AFrance A-Russia B+Australia BGermany B-South Africa C+Spain, Argentina CCzechia, Japan C-Brazil, Finland D+Serbia, Turkey, Sweden, Norway DIreland, Scotland, New Zealand, Israel D-Georgia, Canada, Zimbabwe, Puerto Rico, Sweden E+Portugal, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Wales EIndia, Netherlands, Ukraine, Iceland ----------------------------------- USA destroyed, what bullshit! lol England is only a tier below. Sent from my SM-A105FN using Tapatalk I feel like we could do this for other things. Like Snakiest countries. |
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Post by Bolushi on May 18, 2023 18:10:59 GMT
It's Argentina for sure IMO.
The greenies don't like that but I do think Argentina will be the last man standing for hunting with dogs.
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Post by Bolushi on May 18, 2023 18:33:26 GMT
Honestly I think USA and Australia for hunting. Canada is absolutely shit. Shit laws for hunting with dogs. Also has less workable quarry than in the states. In USA you have racoon, badger, coyote, wild boar, fox, bear, cougar, opportunity is endless honestly and a lot of states have great hunting laws when it comes to hunting with dogs. Australia is probably the same thing maybe even better laws I don’t know. Work Fox, wild boar, Roo are the main one down there. States has better opportunities for predator hunting with dogs. LGD I guess anywhere with wolves and bears to really test the dogs. Also anywhere that doesn’t have stupid laws that prevent dogs from staying outside etc(theirs is incredibly ridiculous laws in some places lol….) Some places require lgd to wear giant sticks or bells around their necks, I’m sure that helps the lgd while guarding lol. But now thinking about it Africa would be a great place…. Lots of quarry and beasts to guard against…. Jackals, baboons, will be everywhere. Let the dogs to engage in and I’m sure they will get opportunities to do so possibly some kills under their belts. Hyenas too, leopards, and of course the ultimate test lions. So I guess Africa would be the ultimate test for LGD dogs, just so many predators and animals to guard against. The dogs will garuntee to see plenty of action vs some other places that might see a few coyote in its lifetime. I like kangal or “Anatolian” for the task, maybe some athletic, rangy, Boz shepherd dogs too. Fighting dogs; Japan because it is legal lol. PPD dogs anywhere close to a big city I imagine, probably somewhere in the states. But I’m not an expert when it comes to ppd work. Yeah Africa tests the shit out of LGDs. Scientific studies have LGDs surviving brutal leopard attacks, bringing down kudu, killing brown hyenas, leopards, killing a lot of jackal and caracal, deer fawns and rabbits... A lot of deaths. Snake bite was also a big deal. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 18:40:31 GMT
Honestly I think USA and Australia for hunting. Canada is absolutely shit. Shit laws for hunting with dogs. Also has less workable quarry than in the states. In USA you have racoon, badger, coyote, wild boar, fox, bear, cougar, opportunity is endless honestly and a lot of states have great hunting laws when it comes to hunting with dogs. Australia is probably the same thing maybe even better laws I don’t know. Work Fox, wild boar, Roo are the main one down there. States has better opportunities for predator hunting with dogs. LGD I guess anywhere with wolves and bears to really test the dogs. Also anywhere that doesn’t have stupid laws that prevent dogs from staying outside etc(theirs is incredibly ridiculous laws in some places lol….) Some places require lgd to wear giant sticks or bells around their necks, I’m sure that helps the lgd while guarding lol. But now thinking about it Africa would be a great place…. Lots of quarry and beasts to guard against…. Jackals, baboons, will be everywhere. Let the dogs to engage in and I’m sure they will get opportunities to do so possibly some kills under their belts. Hyenas too, leopards, and of course the ultimate test lions. So I guess Africa would be the ultimate test for LGD dogs, just so many predators and animals to guard against. The dogs will garuntee to see plenty of action vs some other places that might see a few coyote in its lifetime. I like kangal or “Anatolian” for the task, maybe some athletic, rangy, Boz shepherd dogs too. Fighting dogs; Japan because it is legal lol. PPD dogs anywhere close to a big city I imagine, probably somewhere in the states. But I’m not an expert when it comes to ppd work. Yeah Africa tests the shit out of LGDs. Scientific studies have LGDs surviving brutal leopard attacks, bringing down kudu, killing brown hyenas, leopards, killing a lot of jackal and caracal, deer fawns and rabbits... A lot of deaths. Snake bite was also a big deal. I never thought you’d ever argue for LGDs. |
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